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Old Dec 23, 2018 | 11:28 AM
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Default Manual vs power steering CRX? Manual really the way to go?

I've got 15x7 RPF1's and 205/50/15 A048's on an 89 CRX HF and I just don't see how handling would be better without power steering? I wanted to go with 225 tires after these too. Turn in is much slower and harder. Tried a bit of toe out and it was twitchy, went back to 0 toe. It's a huge difference getting back in a car with power steering. Especially wondering what autox guys think? About to do a B swap, so it's the best time to either convert to power steering or quicker turn in manual rack.

In my e30 I had no complaints, great road feel, could turn as fast as I needed and it wasn't even a quick ratio rack. I couldn't imagine I'd be anywhere near as quick on a twisty back road with the crx vs e30. Plus the seating position makes it a bit tough with a manual rack. I'm 5'11'' 220lbs, short legs long arms but I have to sit with the seat farther back then it's hard to reach the steering wheel and still have enough force to really turn in. Pure rotator cuff damage lol.
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Old Dec 23, 2018 | 06:13 PM
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Default Re: Manual vs power steering CRX? Manual really the way to go?

Possibly another option? My friend recently added electric power steering to a CRX he co-drives(auto-x). With 9" slicks, he said it was night and day. Made transitions easier.
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Old Dec 23, 2018 | 09:52 PM
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Wow that's awesome never heard of doing an electric rack swap. Does he have a build on how he did it?
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Old Dec 24, 2018 | 05:15 AM
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Wow that's awesome never heard of doing an electric rack swap. Does he have a build on how he did it?
I believe he found someone on Google who has done it. Try the terms "MR2 electric power steering conversion."

Off the top of my head, he used a MR2 power steering motor, Ravenol E-PSF fluid, custom bracket, custom lines, automatic EF subframe with corresponding power steering rack.
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Old Dec 24, 2018 | 05:22 AM
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If I had to do it again, I would want power steering. I raced a k20eg on Hoosiers for years and my complaint wasn't the heavy steering in the pits, it’s that when the the car is in a big rotation it’s really hard to smoothly catch the rear. The steering is light then -bam it almost gets yanked out of your hand. Those were the times I wanted power steering.

regarding alignment I was always fastest with front toe out and rear slight toe out. FWD always a handful set up this way but they turn in and rotate and that’s what you need atleast in RR.

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Old Dec 24, 2018 | 11:29 AM
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I'm using a running 93 integra ls as a donor vehicle for a b18 swap. I only found one or two guys mentioning it but it sounds like the DA power rack will work in an EF CRX. But they did it the other way around, EF manual in DA. They used some washers as shims to get the right angle on the rack to steering column. I'm guessing they have to use washers with a manual EF rack but for an EF we are supposed to use the subframe from an EF with power steering? If they had to angle one way in a DA we'd probably have to angle the opposite way and that's why the subframe swap is necessary? Also read the DA has a quicker ratio than power EF racks, not sure how correct any of this information is. Would love to hear more on it.

The mr2 electric rack sounds interesting but I think it's best for me to stick with an easier route. Will look more into it though thank you. Did a bit of digging, looks like it's mostly for guys who can't run a ps pump anymore because of space with K swaps, but I'd still need a power rack. Neat stuff though, uses less than a hp vs around 8hp loss with conventional pump.

Yeah on my e30's I'd always run a bit of toe out up front and it was great. I really want it stable at higher speeds though, I know I can't help myself and will eventually do some late night 160 pulls in "Mexico".

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Old Dec 25, 2018 | 12:33 PM
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Geeebus the thread was on this exact forum..... Does nobody know how to search or use Google?
Kiwi Owen Special Projects Motorsports did this what a thousand years ago?
The thread is here.
https://honda-tech.com/forums/road-r...steer-2222562/

If you have any problems or have questions don't hesitate to call him directly.
Jeff has been a good friend & mentor to me, and has never ever steered me wrong.
He has a wealth of knowledge when it comes to race cars especially Hondas and will help anyone.

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Old Dec 25, 2018 | 02:39 PM
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Default Re: Manual vs power steering CRX? Manual really the way to go?

Post right above yours dirty19 I looked into it, not interested. Used pumps on ebay are $300-500 and I'd still have to convert to a power rack. More for folks who do K swaps and don't have room for a PS pump or don't want the 8hp or so parasitic loss from the pump. So I actually DID use the search function and google before you made your post complaining about UsInG ThE SeArCh FunCtIoN a whole day later, slightly off topic as well, but thanks anyway.

Sounds like DA guys are able to swap over EF manual racks with just some washers and rack bushings. But I also read the entire DA front subframe will bolt into an EF, haven't been able to confirm, hope this is the case since I would have everything I need.
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Old Dec 26, 2018 | 12:52 PM
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Damn it, kingmotorsports can't get the quick ratio quaife rack and pinion anymore. Can't find it anywhere else. Need to figure out if the DA power rack will work.
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Old Dec 26, 2018 | 01:48 PM
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Default Re: Manual vs power steering CRX? Manual really the way to go?

is this a track only car..as in you have a trailer for it? or are you going to be driving it on the street?
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Old Dec 26, 2018 | 08:50 PM
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Just a weekend toy. Will eventually see some track time nothing serious. After I get the swap finished, will do GC/konis, pci spherical all around and a 300whp turbo setup. Need to get the Jeep out of the shop first though, one project at a time. Just trying to get parts together while there's still some sales going on. With these cars being such a popular track car I was hoping there would be some better options.

From what I've read up, going with a B swap in a crx and running power steering is pretty rare. I guess the pump interferes with the headlight? At this point looks like my only option is to rebuild the stock rack and deal with it. Useless Quaife, can't believe they don't have any distributors in the US with any stock.
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