Odb1 conversion spark but no injector pulse

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Old Sep 25, 2018 | 08:55 AM
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Default Odb1 conversion spark but no injector pulse

Hi Guys,

im running a b16a1 engine converted to OBD1 Running a P30 ecu stock.

My ecu is throwing code 6 which is eletric coolant tempeture ECT

Checked if vtec pressure and ect sensor plugs are not swapped around.

I have:

valve cover ground

Thermostat ground

Alternator ground

Tranny ground

Chassis Ground

Injectors have 12v at resistorbox and at injectors but no ground pulse.

I have put in a new distributor (TD-81-U)

Ive send off my stock 240cc injectors to get cleaned and flow checked today. Just so i have good working clean injectors.

When i pull the spark plugs they are dry.

And the new fuel pump primes and i have approx 45psi fuel pressure-at the rail.

Checked all fuel relay connections to ecu
Ive checked igp1 and igp2 as well as all the A and B ecu connector grounds and 12v . Im missing the B9 starter signal + at the ECU.

Any help is welcome!

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Old Sep 25, 2018 | 09:31 AM
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are all 4 spark plugs dry
or just 2
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Old Sep 25, 2018 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcos Barrios
are all 4 spark plugs dry
or just 2
all of them.
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Old Sep 26, 2018 | 12:36 AM
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Can someone explain the function of the ECU Connector B9 starter signal input as I cant find a lot of info on it.
and has someone had this experience before ive searched the forums for days but cant find any clear info if the injector pulse adjustment made by the ECT sensor will disable injector pulses completely. lots of threads on it but no one checking in what the real reason was after getting the car fired up again.
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 04:58 AM
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In for more answers.

I have a 1991 wagovan, with similar problems. Everything has been check - main relay, wiring harness, ecu, injectors... The car will turn over, but won't crank. Then after 20-25 attempts it fires up???

Should I replace the ignition switch and then trouble shoot again? I've bought so many parts for this thing it's not even funny. Any help would be amazing.
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 05:42 AM
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Distributor wiring is a big one. Make sure your crank signal and grounds are not backwards.

Where did you get your jumper harness?
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 06:45 AM
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Distributor wiring is a big one. Make sure your crank signal and grounds are not backwards.

Where did you get your jumper harness?
Rywire. and repinned the Distributor connectors. any tips on how to check crank signal and grounds at distributor level? or just follow troubleshooting flow out of workshop manual?

but you are saying that no or bad wired or broken crank sensor will disable injector pulse totally?
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 07:02 AM
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If you know that you have a functioning distributor I would trace the wires back to the ecu. I know the pinout for the crx's are different depending on year, trim, and dpfi/mpfi.
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 07:25 AM
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Default Re: Odb1 conversion spark but no injector pulse

Just a thought, but you could always throw your old ecu on and see what happens.
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 07:41 AM
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Default Re: Odb1 conversion spark but no injector pulse

Originally Posted by rice a roni
If you know that you have a functioning distributor I would trace the wires back to the ecu. I know the pinout for the crx's are different depending on year, trim, and dpfi/mpfi.
thnx for the input check EDM EE8 pinouts again to check if jumper is correct.

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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by rice a roni
Just a thought, but you could always throw your old ecu on and see what happens.
obd0 ecu does not work with a odb1 & odb2 distributor last time i checked. But the original ecu gives the same ECT error.
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 07:47 AM
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Does anyone know if this is correct:


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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 12:38 PM
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Can't verify if the pic is correct. When I had the same issue I just traced from the pinout of the harness back to the ecu using the resistance/continuity setting.
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 06:01 PM
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Default Re: Odb1 conversion spark but no injector pulse

Originally Posted by Eknapen
Does anyone know if this is correct:


Pretty sure CYP and TDC labels are switched in this picture.
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Old Sep 28, 2018 | 02:44 AM
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Default Re: Odb1 conversion spark but no injector pulse

Will check if Crank - and Crank + are on B10 and B12 instead of on C1 and C2 in my jumper tonight. thanks for the heads up

Ive used the hondata PW0/PR3 pinout when checking my OBD0 _ OBD1 jumper harnass.





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Old Sep 28, 2018 | 07:46 AM
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Default Re: Odb1 conversion spark but no injector pulse

Checked the jumper and my wiring and yes CYL & Crank are mixed up in the jumper.

i repinned the jumper to correct this. Still no injector pulse im waiting for the ECT sensor to get delivered.

so hopefully tomorrow i can get that fixed.

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Old Oct 1, 2018 | 11:07 PM
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Default Re: Odb1 conversion spark but no injector pulse

Got a new ECT sensor, checked voltage at connector 5V and resistance of the sensor, both are okay. still no pulse. searching if I can find an additional distributor to check.
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Old Oct 3, 2018 | 12:53 AM
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Default Re: Odb1 conversion spark but no injector pulse

This is what I have got so far:

The Dark Grey lines are empty / no connected the light grey lines are some connections that I still need to do a connectivity check on from the ECU to the engine.






These will be added to the jumper via the external wiring connector.

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Old Oct 6, 2018 | 04:24 AM
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Default Re: Odb1 conversion spark but no injector pulse

I have got fuel spray at this moment. But almost no spark.

measured coil primary 0.9ohm and between + and secondary spring 15.9Kohm

obd1 A21 ignitor our to ICM holds 5.2v thought this needs to be somewhere around 10v

bad ICM?
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Old Oct 27, 2018 | 02:13 PM
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Default Re: Odb1 conversion spark but no injector pulse

Car runs now! Thnx for the help Guys. In the end it was the crank sensor and a bad ICM module!

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