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Confirming Things about B16 Swap With Power Steering

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Old Jan 23, 2018 | 08:25 AM
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Default Confirming Things about B16 Swap With Power Steering

Busy day and I'm getting a bit of a headache. Someone tell me if I'm wrong here:

OBD1 B16 going into an EG
Using original D16Z6 power steering pump, lines, & steering rack
Using P72 Upper Power Steering Bracket

If I get a B16 Del Sol VTEC lower bracket, or a JDM B16 92-95 EG lower bracket, this should all work together correct?

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Old Jan 23, 2018 | 08:35 AM
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Apparently the P72 upper bracket actually won't work with this combination. Mine isn't OEM though and does mention that it works with the B16, so I'm hoping it's ok

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1320-Performance-Billet-Power-Steering-Bracket-B16-GSR-P72-b18c1-b18c5-Type-r/302200477681?hash=item465c8d57f1:g:rRoAAOSwImRYgC0 M&vxp=mtr

Edit: Part Number for Del Sol B16 Lower Power Steering Bracket is 56994-P30-000

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Old Jan 23, 2018 | 11:14 AM
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P75 upper bracket, and regular lower p30 bracket?

But that combo was used in a em1 though.
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Old Jan 23, 2018 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by tony_2018
P75 upper bracket, and regular lower p30 bracket?

But that combo was used in a em1 though.
That might work. P75 is Integra LS right? Is the P75 bracket the same as P72? I may cross check the part #.

It's the lower bracket I'm mostly concerned with. P30 seems like the best bet. Actually now that I'm thinking about it I can't see any reason not to use the P30 lower.
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Old Jan 23, 2018 | 09:49 PM
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The SOHC P/S pump does NOT fit with any bracket combination on a "B" series VTEC engine... it only works with a NON-VTEC (B18A/B or B20B/Z) and the CRV P/S bracket. You will need a P/S pump from either a '94-01 Integra (any trim level), '94-97 Del Sol DOHC VTEC or a '99-00 Civic Si. Now, here is the rub: I cannot remember in the case of the Integra pumps which generation pump uses the "on-center" (larger opening centered between the two threaded mounting holes) or the "off-center" (smaller hole offset from the line between the two mounting holes) high pressure line. You will need to check your chassis and see which line you have. Then you match this to the proper year P/S pump... '94-97 is one style, '98-01 is another style... I just can't remember which is which. LOL

As for the bracketry... you will need an upper bracket from the engine you get the P/S pump from... the difference between a B16A and a GSR upper bracket is merely the length of the tab for the adjustment wing nut that pulls up on the pump. ALL DOHC VTEC engines use the P54 lower bracket... so you can get that from any of the above mentioned applications.

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Old Jan 30, 2018 | 04:20 PM
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Chance - If you can't find what you need, let me know. I have all the parts from my old b16 PS setup - PM me you can have them. Doing electric PS from an MR2 is really the way to go - especially with a turbo setup.
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Old Jan 31, 2018 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by JRCivic1
The SOHC P/S pump does NOT fit with any bracket combination on a "B" series VTEC engine... it only works with a NON-VTEC (B18A/B or B20B/Z) and the CRV P/S bracket. You will need a P/S pump from either a '94-01 Integra (any trim level), '94-97 Del Sol DOHC VTEC or a '99-00 Civic Si. Now, here is the rub: I cannot remember in the case of the Integra pumps which generation pump uses the "on-center" (larger opening centered between the two threaded mounting holes) or the "off-center" (smaller hole offset from the line between the two mounting holes) high pressure line. You will need to check your chassis and see which line you have. Then you match this to the proper year P/S pump... '94-96 is one style, '97-01 is another style... I just can't remember which is which. LOL

As for the bracketry... you will need an upper bracket from the engine you get the P/S pump from... the difference between a B16A and a GSR upper bracket is merely the length of the tab for the adjustment wing nut that pulls up on the pump. ALL DOHC VTEC engines use the P54 lower bracket... so you can get that from any of the above mentioned applications.
Oh ****, yeah you're right.
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Old Feb 4, 2018 | 06:18 AM
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^ There's a lot of wrong info in this post.

OBD1 B16A upper and lower brackets will with that pump for sure. I believe OBD2 B16A brackets will also work. '92 - '95 Civic and '94 - '97 Integra use interchangeable P/S pumps. There is no difference between any of the '94 - '97 Integra pumps, all share part number 56110-P72-004.

'98 - '01 Integra P/S pump will not work due using a different hole spacing for the feed line, this pump is identical to the '99 - '00 Si pump. '97 - '01 CR-V pump and bracket is unique to itself and wont work due to the hole spacing and the fact that the brackets are made for the B20s taller deck height.
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Old Feb 4, 2018 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 94EG8
^ There's a lot of wrong info in this post.

OBD1 B16A upper and lower brackets will with that pump for sure. I believe OBD2 B16A brackets will also work. '92 - '95 Civic and '94 - '97 Integra use interchangeable P/S pumps. There is no difference between any of the '94 - '97 Integra pumps, all share part number 56110-P72-004.

'98 - '01 Integra P/S pump will not work due using a different hole spacing for the feed line, this pump is identical to the '99 - '00 Si pump. '97 - '01 CR-V pump and bracket is unique to itself and wont work due to the hole spacing and the fact that the brackets are made for the B20s taller deck height.
If you mean "a lot wrong" because I incorrectly identified the year break between the on center and off center high pressure feed hose outlet of the pump... then I am guilty as charged. I have edited this error in my original post. Beyond that, my information is correct.

I think that defining the "fitment" of the pump really comes down to two important technical issues: 1) How the pump bolts to the bracketry and the head/block; 2) How the chassis' original high pressure power steering hard line bolts to the outlet on the top of the P/S pump.

You stated that a '92-95 Civic and a '94-97 Integra P/S pump are interchangeable... and this is only half correct. The '92-95 Civic high pressure P/S line will bolt to either pump, however, the Integra pump will NOT bolt to the brackets on the Civic SOHC engine... nor will a '92-95 Civic P/S pump bolt to a '94-97 Integra DOHC engine. The difference is the surfaces in which the two bolts connecting the pump to the brackets are aligned: The SOHC "D" series P/S pump has two mounting surfaces that are parallel but in different planes... whereas, the DOHC "B" series P/S pump has two mounting surfaces that are aligned in the same plane. The one exception to this is the '97-01 CRV because it is a DOHC engine that uses a SOHC Civic style P/S pump... so when one installs a DOHC NON-VTEC engine in a '96-00 Civic chassis, you can use the stock Civic P/S pump and high pressure line and simply bolt the pump on using a CRV P/S bracket... regardless of whether it is a 1.8L or 2.0L DOHC NON-VTEC. For a DOHC VTEC engine in a '92-00 Civic, you would use the P/S pump that mates to the high pressure P/S line in the chassis and the brackets the pump being used as I outlined above.
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Old Feb 5, 2018 | 12:11 PM
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Hm. Well, I thought this topic would be a quick and easy question, but I guess it turns out I'm not the only one that's been a bit confused by this or gotten some conflicting info.

Thanks everyone for the input so far. I'm still not really sure what I'm going to do yet, but I'll figure it out one way or another. I'll be sure to post what I end up doing and how it works out.
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Old Feb 5, 2018 | 08:28 PM
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I guess it all comes down to who you trust Chance EG.
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Old Feb 5, 2018 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JRCivic1
I guess it all comes down to who you trust Chance EG.
24 years have taught me no one

Seriously thanks everyone for the discussion so far, and I will update with what I end up doing and what works for this application.
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Old Feb 6, 2018 | 07:06 AM
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Yeah its been a while since I fucked with a b-series in any civic. Kinda glad I wipe my hands of fixing other peoples problems back at home.
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