Current 2018 availability of the Water cooled Journal Bearing Garrett "50 trim"?

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Old Jan 17, 2018 | 11:36 AM
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Default Current 2018 availability of the Water cooled Journal Bearing Garrett "50 trim"?

Does anyone know if they make a water cooled JB Garrett 50 trim? I thought I remembered seeing one at some point. Is it possible to retro fit a oil cooled only one into a water cooled version if so?
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Old Jan 17, 2018 | 12:01 PM
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Why? Journal bearing turbos dont need water.
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Old Jan 17, 2018 | 12:58 PM
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Default re: Current 2018 availability of the Water cooled Journal Bearing Garrett "50 trim"?

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Why? Journal bearing turbos dont need water.
Why do you say that?
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Old Jan 17, 2018 | 01:12 PM
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Default re: Current 2018 availability of the Water cooled Journal Bearing Garrett "50 trim"?

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Why do you say that?
It all depends on the bearing design. If the turbo doesnt come with water ports it doesnt need them.
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Old Jan 17, 2018 | 01:26 PM
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Stc hunter is probably what you are looking for
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Old Jan 17, 2018 | 01:53 PM
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Stc sells them in bb configuration I beleive
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Old Jan 17, 2018 | 02:03 PM
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Stc sells them in bb configuration I beleive
I’m thinking along the lines of a budget turbo for a stock motor daily
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Old Jan 17, 2018 | 05:02 PM
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No need for water lines then, or find a turbo that includes them by default if your that paranoid. Whenever you go custom on something that doesn't come standard it ain't cheap
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No need for water lines then, or find a turbo that includes them by default if your that paranoid. Whenever you go custom on something that doesn't come standard it ain't cheap
Eh, I remember the price was around $680 or something. I think it was a STC Garrett 50 trim setup. Not pocket change but nothing crazy pricey.
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Old Jan 17, 2018 | 07:41 PM
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right but you were requesting to somehow modify it for the water ports which will increase the price and not at all necessary IMO
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Old Jan 18, 2018 | 04:21 AM
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right but you were requesting to somehow modify it for the water ports which will increase the price and not at all necessary IMO
I see what you mean

I wasn't sure on how involved that would be if even possible.
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Old Jan 18, 2018 | 05:16 AM
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No need for water lines then, or find a turbo that includes them by default if your that paranoid. Whenever you go custom on something that doesn't come standard it ain't cheap
just because the turbocharger doesn't necessarily have waterlines attached to it, doesn't mean that a bearing design is that much different from one that had them.

. Any cartridge can utilize the benefits of water lines in a water hammered chra. The reason why many of these less-expensive journal bearing turbos don't have a water jacket is not due to bearing design change, but simply because they allow the user to assume more risk when it comes to the use of the turbocharger for specific sporting events. It's a cost issue, plain and simple .

It's better to just pay to get the upgrade, than it is to retrofit a water jacket.. ( it can't really be done, anyway)
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just because the turbocharger doesn't necessarily have waterlines attached to it, doesn't mean that a bearing design is that much different from one that had them.

. Any cartridge can utilize the benefits of water lines in a water hammered chra. The reason why many of these less-expensive journal bearing turbos don't have a water jacket is not due to bearing design change, but simply because they allow the user to assume more risk when it comes to the use of the turbocharger for specific sporting events. It's a cost issue, plain and simple .

It's better to just pay to get the upgrade, than it is to retrofit a water jacket.. ( it can't really be done, anyway)
Was I correct in thinking that STC had the 50 trim water cooled Garrett?
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Was I correct in thinking that STC had the 50 trim water cooled Garrett?
They did. But not any longer. They phased it out along with the GT3251 and GT3255 that used a oil/water-cooled CHRA. Everything became streamlined in their line with the introduction of the Hunter turbo about 3-4 years ago.
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Originally Posted by ls joker
"They".... lol
Some subtleties have to be displayed for obvious reasons. Stop blowin' up the spot, man..Chill.

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No ill content meant. I was all ready logged in, so i typed what i chuckled at.
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Old Jan 19, 2018 | 03:58 AM
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Default re: Current 2018 availability of the Water cooled Journal Bearing Garrett "50 trim"?

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No ill content meant. I was all ready logged in, so i typed what i chuckled at.
I understand. But that causes more harm than you think, my friend.
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Old Jan 19, 2018 | 07:08 AM
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Default re: Current 2018 availability of the Water cooled Journal Bearing Garrett "50 trim"?

I'll probably just drop the coin on a GT3076R and call it a day.
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Default re: Current 2018 availability of the Water cooled Journal Bearing Garrett "50 trim"?

Hunter turbo will fit the bill.

50trim to gt30 is a jump in characteristics.
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Old Jan 19, 2018 | 08:38 AM
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Default re: Current 2018 availability of the Water cooled Journal Bearing Garrett "50 trim"?

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50trim to gt30 is a jump in characteristics.
How so?
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Old Jan 19, 2018 | 11:24 AM
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Default re: Current 2018 availability of the Water cooled Journal Bearing Garrett "50 trim"?

Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
How so?
The GT3076R is an awesome turbo i used to run it and liked it....a lot. The Hunter would also be a good choice. You cant go wrong either way.
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Old Feb 18, 2018 | 05:13 AM
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They did. But not any longer. They phased it out along with the GT3251 and GT3255 that used a oil/water-cooled CHRA. Everything became streamlined in their line with the introduction of the Hunter turbo about 3-4 years ago.
Seems "they" still do??? What gives? And I was right in thinking it was a $50 up charge. However STC is wanting $720 for a turbo you can get other places for $639 new. Why?

T3/T04E "50" trim Cast Turbocharger
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Old Feb 18, 2018 | 06:26 AM
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Default re: Current 2018 availability of the Water cooled Journal Bearing Garrett "50 trim"?

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Seems "they" still do??? What gives? And I was right in thinking it was a $50 up charge. However STC is wanting $720 for a turbo you can get other places for $639 new. Why?

T3/T04E "50" trim Cast Turbocharger
"MSRP" on that turbo is actually in the upper $7s...most just don't sell it there. To be in the low $7s isn't abnormal. If they are the only ones offering it with a water cooled CHRA then you basically just pay what it costs if that is an option that you must have.
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