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Old Dec 31, 2017 | 12:22 PM
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so freakin cold Mr. Bigglesworth.
went to slide the spider for heat the other morning ad it was stuck, so I forced it and then it jumped to the right but now two things, just almost warm air and the slider has a very limited range and is not smooth. It will only go to just the middle when I try to slide it back and then almost to the right but something is wrong.. I'm wondering if I jumped some plastic gears? I tried to manually open the heat valve under the hood but it seems there is resistance to it opening all the way, I am guessing the same parts that are hooked in to it to slide it to the open position are now stopping it from getting there?
I am thinking of unhooking up the metal rods tha connec the slider to the other parts and seeing if I can then open it full. Just don't want to break some of those connections but heat is better than no heat...minus 15 in the forecast...Yikes!
tried to take glove box out this afternoon but there are screws holding the stoppers on the sides of it that seem impossible to take out. Need a bent screwdriver?!
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Old Dec 31, 2017 | 12:26 PM
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got part of my exhaust welded behind the cat where the flange had rusted through. But he didn't weld the other part, the front part of the short pipe that connects thedown pipe to the cat. He said the flange was rusted out and not enough good metal. Does anyone know where I can get this part? I looked online and couldn't find it. Is there any other option besides replacing it? I failed my inspection so I have 5o days t make it better or...?
This is my second problem that TomCat39 merged into this thread. Help appreciated.

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Old Dec 31, 2017 | 12:27 PM
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The mechanism is on the bottom of the heater box, right in the center of the car over the "hump" for the exhaust pipe. You can reach it without taking anything apart. There is one cable that comes from the slider on the dash which moves a lever that controls another cable that goes to the valve under the hood, and also a push rod to the air door. Moving the lever by hand will do the same thing that the dash slider used to do, it will direct the air through the heater core and also turn the coolant valve on.

To remove glove box (which you do NOT have to do for this job), unscrew the hinges at the bottom. This is easiest to do with it in the closed position, then pop the latch and the whole box will come out.
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Old Dec 31, 2017 | 01:13 PM
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Thank you. I pushed on white plastic piece that seemed to move when I moved the slider and it did seem to be connected to a metal rod under the hood. When the heater valve is wide open, what does it look like? Should it be horizontal or vertical? I'm guessing horizontal. It is not fully horizontal so maybe there's something wrong with the valve but I'll test it out next time I drive. Got to get some heat.
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Old Jan 2, 2018 | 05:51 PM
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It didn't work. Still no heat. Tried pushing it and pulling it then looked under the hood and found the cable attached to the heater lever was bent so I disconnected it so I could move it by hand and it doesn't matter, in either full stop position, no heat...help! Thanks. Minus 15 coming in two nights...

Wait. Just reread the advice. I think there are two things I need to do.
1. Open valve manually under hood. Which way is open, pushing it down towards the firewall or towards the front of the car? I am guessing towards the firewall as it seems less perpendicular to the hose.

And 2. Open the doorway fr the air to flow in. There is a rod under the dash connected t a bunch of stuff. Is there an easy way to know which way I need t push it t get the heat? I have a three hour drive at early hours of the morning and it would be a big help I can hear something moving when I move the rod but I am unsure which way is the good way. Trial and error?? Thanks in advance. The mods pushed my two threads together with a goofy title so I'm not so sure this will work. I know they mean well but I need help...
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Old Jan 2, 2018 | 05:54 PM
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got part of my exhaust welded behind the cat where the flange had rusted through. But he didn't weld the other part, the front part of the short pipe that connects thedown pipe to the cat. He said the flange was rusted out and not enough good metal. Does anyone know where I can get this part? I looked online and couldn't find it. Is there any other option besides replacing it? I failed my inspection so I have 5o days t make it better or...?
You best bet is to go to the salvage yard and get another b pipe.

I'm assuming your cat is under the car and not in the exhaust manifold.
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Old Jan 2, 2018 | 05:58 PM
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Tomcat: Yes cat is under the car. It is called a b pipe? Thank you.
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Old Jan 2, 2018 | 06:08 PM
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With the heater valve, which way is open? I attached a diagram.
is it up towards the front or back towards the firewall?
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Old Jan 2, 2018 | 06:12 PM
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Diagram of heater valve
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Old Jan 2, 2018 | 09:37 PM
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Tomcat: Yes cat is under the car. It is called a b pipe? Thank you.
Sorry it's called the A pipe. I was considering the header as the A pipe but it's the header. A pipe is the first pipe after the header. (Sometimes refered to as the A pipe for the A shape on the vtec exhaust and J pipe on the non vtec exhaust).

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Old Jan 2, 2018 | 09:40 PM
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With the heater valve, which way is open? I attached a diagram.
is it up towards the front or back towards the firewall?
Towards the firewall is coolant flow through the valve (open).

After replacing my heater core, every time I pushed the temp to all cold it pushed that wire off the valve arm and I wouldn't not get heat until I put it back on.
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Old Jan 3, 2018 | 02:53 PM
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Ok thanks. I pushed it towards the firewall and I reached under the glove box side and pushed the rod to the other position, hopefully the air door is now aligned right to get some heater action. I could sure use some luck. My 3 hour drive looms. Escaping the storm. Dreading the drive if no heat but I got some sorrel boots in the back just in case. Yikes!
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Old Jan 3, 2018 | 05:18 PM
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New plan, leave at 3am and drive at night. Fingers crossed on the heat...
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Old Jan 4, 2018 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by tommy boy2
New plan, leave at 3am and drive at night. Fingers crossed on the heat...
If not heat, try the valve in the other position!
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Old Jan 4, 2018 | 11:47 AM
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So some heat. Better than none and it really saved me. Maybe the valve needs to go farther or the heater core is a bit blocked. When it gets warmer I'll chbe ck the hose on the other side of the valve and see if it is as hot as before it. But unfortunately the leak at the mating surface of the b pipe meant that with heat came in exhaust. Some. So I had to crack the window open when heating and it went on and off and open and closed for ...3 hours. I gotta see about getting tha b pipe replaced or maybe welded to the flange. I think there is a donut gasket and the spring bolts there as it meets the cat and I understand this flexing is important. I was told I may need an oil pan at some point so maybe it makes sense to d the two at the same time. If I make it through this cold snap...yikes!
thank you for all the help. Couldn't have done much without the support. Thank you.
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Old Jan 4, 2018 | 08:12 PM
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Technically it's called an A pipe. I posted the part numbers and descriptions above regardless if you are vtec or non vtec.
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Old Jan 4, 2018 | 08:22 PM
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The front pipe usually lasts a long time, consider removing one from a junk car. Or you could install a header, which replaces everything from the engine to the inlet of the cat with one piece.
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Old Jan 5, 2018 | 02:52 PM
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The front pipe usually lasts a long time, consider removing one from a junk car. Or you could install a header, which replaces everything from the engine to the inlet of the cat with one piece.
Many of the 4-2-1 headers are 2 pieces for this car. But it does replace the stock ones with better 4-2-1 units.
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Old Jan 8, 2018 | 08:07 AM
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Mk and tomcat, good to know! I'll check the boneyards when I get a chance. That also explains why I haven't seen too many of these single pipes for sale, maybe the double duty one is the more common replacement part. Thanks
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Old Jan 8, 2018 | 11:24 AM
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Shoot, I just figured out this was a combination of two threads! You need a B-pipe? I have my old one that I replaced when I went with headers...
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Old Jan 9, 2018 | 05:50 AM
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Shoot, I just figured out this was a combination of two threads! You need a B-pipe? I have my old one that I replaced when I went with headers...
That would be my fault, new user, two posts back to back about the same car. Only one of the threads had any car make model details so felt it was wiser to make it into the car specific thread most are used to so at least some of the car details were present for both problems.

OP also hasn't stated which trim he has so don't know if it's the 2 pipe A pipe or the single pipe J pipe they are needing (vtec or non vtec).
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Old Jan 9, 2018 | 10:36 AM
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That would be my fault, new user, two posts back to back about the same car. Only one of the threads had any car make model details so felt it was wiser to make it into the car specific thread most are used to so at least some of the car details were present for both problems.

OP also hasn't stated which trim he has so don't know if it's the 2 pipe A pipe or the single pipe J pipe they are needing (vtec or non vtec).
No, that makes total sense, I just was not reading carefully.

Well, if the OP needs the 2-pipe A pipe, they can holla...
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Old Jan 17, 2018 | 06:09 PM
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Hey thanks!
its a basic dx hatchback. Automatic. 1.5 liter. It's cold and there's a lot f snow but I can try to look under to see if you need me to.

Also: new problem. Seems steering wheel has a shudder to it. Seems t come and go a bit. Was there today and seemed more shuddery, kind of jerking back and forth. When I took a let turn it went away for. Bit. Could this be loose lug nuts?
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Old Jan 17, 2018 | 09:53 PM
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Do you know how to check your ball joints, tie rod end links etc?
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Old Jan 18, 2018 | 04:48 AM
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If you think your lug nuts may be loose, go and check them already, there's no need to ask people on the Internet.

Like TomCat said you should jack up the car one wheel at a time and try to shake the wheel around while it is off the ground wheels to see if anything is loose.

A DX would have a single front exhaust pipe (A pipe) not the EX type one with 2 pipes in parallel that join near the converter. You could use the EX style pipe if you also replace the exhaust manifold.
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