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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 03:39 PM
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Default 1993 Si- which way to go

I picked up a very clean 1993 Si this week. Its all stock with nice paint and a great interior. Most everything works except the speedometer. Didn't come equipped with AC.

I am trying to decide what to do with it. I was thinking simple OEM+ stuff like lightweight wheels and better tires, shifter and ****, set up bluetooth through the original stereo and fix the regular stuff like the squeaky rear suspension and speedo. What does everyone think? This isn't a daily driver, just an occasional canyon carver and I may take it to a track day once or twice just for fun.
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 03:51 PM
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nice ride, this reminds of the 92 si i had same color

Im an oem guy, not real big on mods that can't be reversed

do maintenance, suspension and keep it locked up

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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 03:52 PM
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also you can still get the oem floormats, I would grab set while you still can
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 04:14 PM
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Any idea where I can get them? Found some on eBay. Brand new!
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 04:25 PM
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Oh nice! I see you picked up the car. Looks very, very clean.

I'd definitely start with the basic tune ups, just to make sure you're on a fresh start - Fluid changes, spark plugs, air filter if needed.

Get to know the car in stock form, and you can decide more from there on what you'd like to do with it. I agree somewhat with egsleeper in the sense that I avoid any mod that "takes away" from OEM functionality, especially in a way that can't be reversed. IMO however, certain tasteful mods like a non-ricer exhaust, some spring/sock upgrades, and things like that are quite inarguably upgrades (to most people). Plus those are also things you could go back to stock on.

Start stock, and see what you want from there
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 04:29 PM
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Agreed. Its pretty fun to drive as it is. I got back in my prius after and it felt like a massive boat. I'm looking forward to getting to know it. I need to calm down the rattles from the rear suspension first. Then a massive cold air intake, obviously. You know, for the powah gainz.
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 04:51 PM
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Depends what you want to get back from it. These will probably increase in value if kept in all original/stock form.

If you want to have as much fun with it as possible, not just keep it for a showpiece and resale value, then don’t be afraid of modding. There is such a vast aftermarket for these that makes it all the more enjoyable.

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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 04:53 PM
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I mostly want to be able to get my money back out of it, while still enjoying it. I agree, over time there will be fewer and fewer stock ones left and the good ones will command a premium.
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leave it alone, with the exception of 14" hx wheels with the most aggressive tires you can find, coupled with good blank front rotors and the best pads you can afford. these are rare birds.
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Depends what you want to get back from it. These will probably increase in value if kept in all original/stock form.

If you want to have as much fun with it as possible, not just keep it for a showpiece and resale value, then don’t be afraid of modding. There is such a vast aftermarket for these that makes it all the more enjoyable.

Bushings. Replacing the bushings with new rubber all around would definitely be a good upgrade to tighten everything up without sacrificing any ride quality or OEM integrity.

If the RTA bushings have never been replaced, like mine, then you probably have a bunch of side to side play in them right now lol.
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Old Dec 14, 2017 | 03:07 AM
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Freshen up the motor with new seals, gaskets and belts, etc.....and leave it alone. I would make sure to have a reliable car security because a stock SI hatch is harder to find than you think.
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Soooooooooo nice!

I am jelly of that Si, so nice and clean...

I did not realize you could get an Si w/o A/C? Can I see a pic of the A/C block-off cover?

Are you running the factory tape deck head unit in there? I still have the factory stereo that came with my '94.

I can't tell from the picture - does it have Cruise?
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Old Dec 14, 2017 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by grampswrx

...squeaky rear suspension...
Ha ha, I have been noticing mine squeaks in the morning when cold, I would like to fix that up.
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Old Dec 14, 2017 | 08:40 AM
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Bushings. Replacing the bushings with new rubber all around would definitely be a good upgrade to tighten everything up without sacrificing any ride quality or OEM integrity.

If the RTA bushings have never been replaced, like mine, then you probably have a bunch of side to side play in them right now lol.
OEM bushings?
Mine is squeaky in the mornings, and I would like to add a rear sway bar, so I need new LCAs anyway - good time to replace bushings in the LCAs.
Do you go OEM on RTAs?
Assuming I need to access a press for all this...
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Old Dec 14, 2017 | 08:59 AM
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It does have cruise control. It even works when the speedo is reading 0 mph. I need a new VSS.

Which A/C block off cover are you talking about? On the controls on the dash? or in the engine bay? I will shoot one today.
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Old Dec 14, 2017 | 09:15 AM
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It does have cruise control. It even works when the speedo is reading 0 mph. I need a new VSS.

Which A/C block off cover are you talking about? On the controls on the dash? or in the engine bay? I will shoot one today.
He's probably talking about the one on the firewall.

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^DownStar and some other companies also make nice billet plugs for it. Non-AC cars also have different ducting for the vents to improve airflow since there's no evap.
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OEM bushings?
Mine is squeaky in the mornings, and I would like to add a rear sway bar, so I need new LCAs anyway - good time to replace bushings in the LCAs.
Do you go OEM on RTAs?
Assuming I need to access a press for all this...
Main difference you'll find is rubber vs. polyurethane. Poly bushings are very nice and responsive, but offer a more harsh ride, more NVE, and also tend to squeak a lot more than rubber. Poly bushings last the life of the car, rubber will eventually rot/deteriorate.

HardRace offers hard rubber replacements, which is what I'd recommend. I'm sure there are other OEM kits available that would have the same exact rubber that Honda used.
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Old Dec 14, 2017 | 09:20 AM
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I think rubber is the way to go. I would like it to ride like it did from the factory. There are lots of other EGs i could buy to race or lower or whatever.

Question about the VSS: my odometer is working and my speedometer works intermittently. The speed jumps around a lot and sometimes the need goes all the way around to the bottom of the gauge. Because the odometer is still working, would that indicate that its a speedometer issue and not a VSS issue? I would like to keep the cluster because it shows the original miles (212k) but I hate staring at a broken speedo. I don't mind replacing the VSS, (seems pretty straight forward) the the OEM part is $100 and I don't want to replace it if it won't fix the problem.
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Old Dec 14, 2017 | 09:21 AM
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I got my floor mats from here for $53.87 shipped in September

https://www.hondapartsnow.com/genuin...5-sr0-110.html

My only other advice is to save the parts you remove.....exhaust intake etc....
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Old Dec 14, 2017 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by egsleepercivic
I got my floor mats from here for $53.87 shipped in September

https://www.hondapartsnow.com/genuin...5-sr0-110.html

My only other advice is to save the parts you remove.....exhaust intake etc....

I definitely will save the parts. Those mats would have saved me $20! Oh well. I have an OEM lip in the box still that I need to put on.
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Old Dec 14, 2017 | 10:08 AM
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Question about the VSS: my odometer is working and my speedometer works intermittently. The speed jumps around a lot and sometimes the need goes all the way around to the bottom of the gauge. Because the odometer is still working, would that indicate that its a speedometer issue and not a VSS issue? I would like to keep the cluster because it shows the original miles (212k) but I hate staring at a broken speedo. I don't mind replacing the VSS, (seems pretty straight forward) the the OEM part is $100 and I don't want to replace it if it won't fix the problem.
I'm not completely sure but I think the VSS can throw a code if it's faulty. I'm assuming you don't have a CEL on.

If the speedo is acting erratic it could also indicate a bad ground somewhere, not a bad VSS itself. Also I'm not sure but cruise control working may indicate that it's not the VSS itself.

I'm not sure right now and hopefully someone else can chime in with a way to test things out, but I wouldn't drop the money on a new VSS just yet. More troubleshooting.
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Old Dec 14, 2017 | 10:11 AM
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I'm not completely sure but I think the VSS can throw a code if it's faulty. I'm assuming you don't have a CEL on.

If the speedo is acting erratic it could also indicate a bad ground somewhere, not a bad VSS itself. Also I'm not sure but cruise control working may indicate that it's not the VSS itself.

I'm not sure right now and hopefully someone else can chime in with a way to test things out, but I wouldn't drop the money on a new VSS just yet. More troubleshooting.

Agreed, after more reading, it seems more likely that the problem is bad solders on the speedo, because everything else works fine. I will keep poking around though and see what I can find. Thanks for your input.
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Oh awesome! Can I get a photo of the dash with that OEM EX stereo (and at night lit up)? Really difficult to find what they actually looked like installed.

On a general "harmonious internet community can't-go-wrong" note:
- New OEM 92-95 VX front spoiler & attachment hardware for it. Honda dealer network should still have them
- New OEM pedal covers
- New OEM shift ****
- New OEM floormats
- Correct Audio console
- Prelude/Accord red-H key 35113-S84-A01 cut by dealer to your vin
- New bushings/control arms where necessary

On an experienced/opinionated Personel level:
- spoon-style duckbill....or if you want to keep it all OEM a JDM SiR spoiler to make the back end sporty (most likely needs paint)
- Neuspeed springs ($125 shipped on Neuspeed.com) I have these on my 05 TL 6MT
- Truhart shortened sport shocks (less than $200 everywhere with lifetime warranty) I have these on my 05 TL 6MT
- Reset bushings after lowering
- Alignment to reset toe after lowering
- 22mm Type-R rear sway bar + Genuine ASR brace

Wheels are always a personal taste item weather OEM or not.....and tires are a "Whatever's available in your size at the time of purchase" item (since they change all the time).

BTW: MajesticHondaParts.com and AllDiscountParts.com generally have the best prices. Especially once shipping is factored in. Searching for parts numbers is way easier on AllDiscountParts.com. Best place for Acura parts would be OEMAcuraParts.com (they also sell Honda parts, though more expensive than real Honda dealers).

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It does have cruise control. It even works when the speedo is reading 0 mph. I need a new VSS.

Which A/C block off cover are you talking about? On the controls on the dash? or in the engine bay? I will shoot one today.
On the dash, I can see something over there, but a close-up would be cool!
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Originally Posted by Chance EG

Main difference you'll find is rubber vs. polyurethane. Poly bushings are very nice and responsive, but offer a more harsh ride, more NVE, and also tend to squeak a lot more than rubber. Poly bushings last the life of the car, rubber will eventually rot/deteriorate.

HardRace offers hard rubber replacements, which is what I'd recommend. I'm sure there are other OEM kits available that would have the same exact rubber that Honda used.
Not sure what NVE is? Thanks for the HardRace recommendation...
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Originally Posted by egsleepercivic
I got my floor mats from here for $53.87 shipped in September

https://www.hondapartsnow.com/genuin...5-sr0-110.html

My only other advice is to save the parts you remove.....exhaust intake etc....
Now $40.81!
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