Hey all. My girlfriend got an 86 Si hatch and granted me permission to EBay turbo the 93 Accord she was driving.
1st of all, It's a stock F22 with like 260k, it IS going to blow up. I know this. I have no delusions, or hopes otherwise. The car was free to us and is disposable at this point.
However I would like the fun to last longer than one pull, so I was thinking about getting getting RC 550s, fuel pump, and a custom basemap from HA motorsports, with a 2 step and what not, about 180 bucks.
Anyone got any testimonials or references and what not?
Or would a Demon and NepTune be usable on my Del Sol in the future? If it would be interchangeable, it might be going that route to practice street tuning on a car I won't cry over.
​​​​​​​What are your guys' thoughts? Inb4 save the car. It's really not worth its weight in scrap.

 

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I'm considering going this route like I said above, I just don't want to have to pay for a Demon P06 and not be able to use it on my Del Sol (with Vtec) later. I can justify spending the money on parts I can use elsewhere, like the turbo, feed lines, I/C piping, I/C, etc. All I'd be out is the 70 bucks for the egay manifold.
Anyone know of a management solution that's compatible with both an F22A, and a D16z6, that I can tune at home?
Thanks.

 

In my infinite wisdom I forgot that the Demon is essentially a chip that plugs into your ECU, so I can just pull the Demon when I'm done with the Accord and buy a socketed P28 later. Hopefully this will prevent another nub posting the same question in the future.
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a basemap is not a tune. all a basemap is intended for is being able to try to get the engine running to check for leaks or mechanical problems before bringing the car to a tuner.
doing the above will practically guarantee one pull max, especially knowing that specific company doesn't do the best work, and charges way too much.

yes the demon plugs into a socket. but you can't use it in an accord ecu. only civic and integra ecu's are tuneable. you would need to buy a tuneable ecu which you could use in the accord and the del sol. meaning you just buy a tuneable vtec ecu. And I recommend buying from Xenocron.com or Phearable.net (phearable.com now maybe?). Both of them can also provide much better basemaps. As long as you know it's still a basemap, not intended for heavy throttle by any means. Both of them also do MUCH better physical work inside the ecu for what's required in order to make it tuneable.

as for what type of tuning system to get, there is no such thing as a better system in general. You need to find a tuner first, and ask what they recommend. A tuning system is only as good as the tuner who is tuning it. Some tuners may recommend neptune, but most will recommend hondata.

 

You gave some good info, and I appreciate it, but I can't help but feel like you didn't really read my post. I had said that I'll be tuning it myself. If I wanted this all done high quality and buttoned up, I wouldn't be buying all the parts on eBay, and leaving the block stock. And I already knew that Accord ECU's couldn't be tuned, I had said I didn't want to buy a P06, for the non Vtec Accord, and then a P28 later for the Sol.
It seemed like you were saying that I could just use a P28 for both? More on that? As far as I knew you couldn't do that. I know there are some differences in the harness. Not substantial differences but still.
​​​​​​​I've also heard of people running basemaps for a lonnnggggg time. I know a basemap is just what the name entails, but running a basemap is better than running no tune at all.

 

Also more on the notion that HAmotosports is a substandard company, I don't really know much about them.

 

The same ECU package from Phearable is 60 bucks more, and I don't think Xenocron sells a Demon installed ECU at all.
​​​​​​​So I don't see why you say HAM is charging way too much.

 

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​​​​I like Neptune better, having used it, Hondata S300, and crome.

 

I checked em out, they don't sell Demon installed ECUs either. Both obviously sell the modules themselves. Glad to have some input for Neptune though. I've downloaded Crome, It seems a little.. Flimsy I guess, as a program. Simple for people just starting but I've noticed Neptune seems to have a lot more features and the UI seems a little more straightforward to me. I also like the forum. I'm sure there's a good reason Hondata is so widely used but Neptune and a Demon seem a bit cheaper generally.

 

Neptune and hondata are easier to tune with than Crome. Crome takes patience.

Hondata is all about the money so they spend more on advertising IMO.

​​​​​​​I don't think you are going to find a pre-installed set up. The idea is you send them your ECU and pay them for the service of installing it if you are not capable of soldering yourself. It would be a bad business decision for them to buy a whole bunch of Honda ECUs to pre modify and then keep in stock, IMO. These cars are not getting any more plentiful.

 

yes I guess I did misread your post, sorry.
to further explain; the pinout for a p06 and p28 are identical. the only difference in the harness is the p28 has wires for vtec, and the p06 harness does not. BUT, you CAN use a p28 with a non-vtec engine, or even a p06 modified with vtec components added to it to convert it to a p28, and just disable vtec in the software. So yes, you can use a tuneable p28 in the non-vtec accord just fine.

Trust me when I say HAM does subpar work, in both basemaps and in physical installation. I have seen and repaired and tuned more than enough stuff from them to know it's not worth it. You'll likely spend way more in the long run than buying from somewhere reputable to begin with. Buy once, not twice.

I've never used a demon, so I'm not very familiar with the system. But iirc, it simply plugs into a socket in the ecu like a chip or a hondata board. I'm sure you could send an email to xenocron and ask if he can sell you an ecu prepped for the demon, and buy the demon separately yourself, and possibly save a few bucks.

I too have heard of, and seen, many people running basemaps for a looooonnnnng time. It doesn't mean it's reliable lol. I've also had to rebuild the engines from a lot of them because of the damage it does. sometimes the damage is immediate, sometimes it takes a while. Some people can make pretty good basemaps. HAM is definitely not one of them though. It's not worth risking if you're smart. the problem is the percentage of smart honda owners is dwindling rapidly.

 

You can make for p06 vtec for like $25, better yet, if your p06 is automatic, 90% of the components for vtec are already in there.