Car was running smoothly. I had a slight ticking that morning but I disregarded it as lifters ticking because I had been beating on the car the day prior. Was planning on readjusting them that same week. Anyways. Car ran smooth until I noticed the ticking got louder and louder extremely fast then the car started to misfire and it stalled at 40mph. I pulled over. Tried to crank it over but no fire. Got a dolly to tow it home with from a friend and his truck and when I looked under the car I noticed this hole. What is about that size that could eject itself from the engine? I'm thinking rod bearings maybe? If so. What all should I be looking at to see if it's damaged once I drop the oilpan? And what should I expect to have to replace?

 

I had a similar hole in my oil pan on my 92 gsr. I wasn't super low but I guess low enough to where a car hit a piece of something in front of me, I heard it hit under me and thought nothing of it until my oil light started to come on. So this piece of metal or whatever it was, made a hole just like that on my pan.

 

Just from general knowledge, I dont think I hit something because the way the metal is flared out indicates something ejected from the oilpan.

 

and that's what I find weird because I wish I still had the picture, mine looked just like yours. but then again you did stall. I hope it's nothing bad and that can be replaced easily and not cost much.

 

I've already estimated a worst case scenario of having to buy new piston heads, new piston rings, rods, rod bearings, crank shaft, and oilpan + gasket and oil. Didnt calculate up to but 300 dollars, cause im gonna do the repairs myself. I cant afford to have a mechanic do it. If I'm missing anything else I'm sure someone will mention it.

 

well the hit isn't that bad I guess, keep it updated and let us know what the damage is.

 

Will do, just hoping holmesnmanny or GhostAccord give me some feedback on this situation. They've always given beyond great advice.

 

Drop the pan and investigate.

I forget what year Accord you drive, you might look into a used engine as an option. I think a used F23 would be fairly cheap and is a pretty easy swap into most 5th gens.

 

Hey poorman long time no see. as far as your suggestion which i highly value, I have no money to buy a new engine and even if i did, I dont have the means of putting one in, I need to repair this one because i dont have a cherry picker or anything of that manner. As far as dropping the oilpan, it looks like some crossmembers and framework is in the way, does that sound normal? If so what should I need to remove to get the oilpan off?

 

Re-fresh my memory on what year, trim and trans you have.......sorry I;m getting too old to keep up, and yes I hope some of the others chime in as you can tell I don't get out much anymore so for prompt answers I would not be the best at those.

 

Its a 1993 Honda Accord LX, 5speed manual

 

That spot appears above the crossmember so it's unlikely you hit something to cause that hole. You may have spun a bearing. It sounds like you were low on oil which caused the engine to seize up and throw a bearing piece through the pan.

 

So with your experience, is this a hard fix? And what parts normally have to be replaced when something like this happens in an engine?

 

You are going to have to pull the motor anyway, so save some money and buy a used F23. It will cost less than repairing the one you have.

 

Youre not understanding what I'm saying, I dont have the money to buy a cherry picker or have a mechanic do it for that fact. Ill find a way to disassemble it while its still in the engine compartment

 

Drop the pan already and have a good look.....depending upon what you see with the pan off, pull the valve cover and spark plugs, check the timing belt is still there. Try spinning the engine over a few times - with the plugs out there is no compression so it should spin over fairly easily. Don't force anything as we are not sure how much the bottom end is "hurt".

 

I will do and I'll reply here the moment I get it done and I'll also take pictures for you to look at.

 

You'd be surprised how easy it is to pull an engine, especially your generation. I'm sure you can find jdm f22a engines from jdm importers. You can actually rent a cherry picker from lots of places that have wheels on them so you can tow them. You can rent a truck, or borrow a truck from someone, hook it up, tow it to your house and pull the engine, put the new one back in(in a couple hours) and take it back for like $40. You can also buy a cherry picker, the kind that fold up from places like Harbor Freight for like $150 or less. The f22a's probably go for like $700. All you do is basically just remove the axles and the stuff attaching to the engine, hook up the chain for the hoist to the hook on the tranny and the hook on the power steering pump bracket. You gently lift til it takes the pressure off the mounts, then remove all the mounts, then lift it up and out. You will absolutely want to remove the crank pulley because the clearance is a bit tight with it still attached so make that the first job you do before you do anything. You can rent the pulley holder from a place like Oreilly auto. Make sure you have two breaker bars. You will position one breaker bar on the crank holder tool so that it is touching the ground(bottoming out so it holds the crank pulley tool while you turn the crank bolt off). Then you want a 1 foot extension on a 19mm socket on the crank bolt. You want a jack under where the breaker bar and extension come together so that it's flat and level. Then a piece of pipe on the end of the breaker bar and you can actually just use the breaker bar and jump on the bar since the jack is holding it level and it will pop loose with the weight of your body. The jack is key to getting that bolt off so it keeps it level and you can use your weight of your body on the breaker bar to break it loose.

 

Thats all fine and dandy, but i cant even afford to rent **** like that because one i dont have the money and two i dont have any way of getting out there to pick it up, essentially I'm being forced to have to repair this engine because of that, + I have no experience in pulling motors, Id rather just repair what needs to be repaired as long as there are no metal shaving in the oil or oilpan then ill just repair it because like i said i have no experience in that sort of thing.

 

It was atleast 30 minutes of my fine and dandy effort I put into that post for you. I understand your frustration but it would be wise to show respect to those that try to help you.

You will need to replace that oil pan, you can pull one from the junkyard for cheap. Then fill it up with oil and compression test to see which cylinders are bad.

 

I meant no disrespect by what my previous post said, I was merely appraising you on my situation and the fact that I dont have those tools readily available or at my disposal in the slightest of ways. You're 1 of 3 people whos advice I take without hesistation, and it will continue to be that way. So please dont take my ranting as a personal attack against your wisdom. <3

 

I am not really sure how you can rebuild a motor while it is in the car, and I am not sure where you can get the parts cheaper than you can buy a used motor. Let us know how this goes.

 

Its doable as a last resort sort of thing, My dad was an ACE certified tech for bridgestone/firestone as well as lexus, I watched my dad do it all the time and the cars ran perfectly after he was done. So if I picked up anything from him, itll show when I go to repair this engine while its still in the bay.

 

Ok, so I finally got around to dropping the oil pan. I had a curled up rod sitting in my oil pan rofl. So yeah, the rod itself let go. Im hoping it wont be too extremely expensive, but here are the pictures, there is a picture I want you to look at though, its a small hole inside what looks to be the block but its near wear the oil pan meets the block. Is this hole a motor killer? as in the block itself is no longer useable?
This is the hole that is near where the oil pan connects.

Here are the other pictures I took, any suggestions on if the block is still useable or not? and If it is useable, what parts do I need to get besides the obvious rod?

What is this piece thats on the underside of the cylinder? As you can see the rod busted it on the way out.And here are 4 other pictures I took.

Up inside the cylinder chamber. Whats left of that rod lol...... Metal Shavings Metal Shavings.


All in all, the shavings most likely have come from that little hole in the picture above. If that hole doesnt ruin the block, What all do you think is needed to get this car running again?

 

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