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Old Nov 17, 2016 | 05:43 AM
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Cars for Sale: Used 1998 Acura Integra in Type R, Crestwood IL: 60445 Details - Hatchback - Autotrader

In the process of looking for a replacement car for the ITR that hit and stumbled on this on Autotrader. Look amazing just wanted to share with you guys. I know someone will find interest in this.
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Old Nov 17, 2016 | 06:54 AM
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I posted it on ITRCA to see if anyone knows the history.

JDM front is a big fat NO in my book though. Anyone who pays $30K for that is nuts.
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Old Nov 17, 2016 | 07:55 AM
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I wouldn't say the asking price is outlandish on this particular car, taking into consideration that recent auctions on 50K mileage ITRS have been sold in the mid 30K.

Question is, what's the story behind the JDM front end. Due to accident or pure aesthetics? but either way with 21K on the clock, I say steal.
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Old Nov 17, 2016 | 09:52 AM
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Before and after pictures of the jdm front process would be nice..
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Old Nov 17, 2016 | 11:56 AM
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The people paying $30K+ for an ITR are paying that because they are low-mileage bone-stockish examples. You cannot extrapolate that to those with JDM front ends.

Basically, until we have a confirmed sale or two to set the value, I still say the JDM front completely kills the value. It makes a small market that much smaller.
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Old Nov 17, 2016 | 02:36 PM
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Yea but 21k miles. This caR looks beautiful. Some of us still prefer the JDM front ends, b/c of the look and HIDs.
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Old Nov 17, 2016 | 05:06 PM
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You're wasting your time Todd. If you cant understand why that car isnt worth 30k because of that front end, then you dont understand car values period. There is a reason a restomod '69 camaro with 100k in modifications isnt worth as much as a low mileage, bone stock, completely original SS with a 4 speed.
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Old Nov 17, 2016 | 05:13 PM
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This car isn't completely stock and it's not vin matching. Definitely hurts the value.
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Old Nov 17, 2016 | 06:12 PM
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I agree that jdm fronts kill a usdm itr's value as well.

Dont get me wrong, its nice to see a very low mileage itr, especially a 98 cw; however, its a shame that its not truly ORIGINAL.
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Old Nov 18, 2016 | 04:51 PM
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You're wasting your time Todd. If you cant understand why that car isnt worth 30k because of that front end, then you dont understand car values period. There is a reason a restomod '69 camaro with 100k in modifications isnt worth as much as a low mileage, bone stock, completely original SS with a 4 speed.

Completely correct. The JDM front end, although original in other markets, was not original to a USDM car. Therefore even though it may look better (all a matter of taste), it should hurt the value as opposed to a completely original specimen.

That same car with its original front end and matching numbers could be $35k all day. This one, I would say it's about $5-8k overpriced.

Beautiful car... But not original.
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sold for 24k
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Old Nov 28, 2016 | 02:13 PM
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sold for 24k
Confirmed (buyer posted on itrca.com).

More than I'd be willing to pay because to me the car is ruined. But that seems to be inline with expected value.

Reminder to folks that had the car been 100% stock in that condition and mileage, it would have sold for $35K+.
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Interesting to see prices for ITRs with swapped JDM fronts are trending upwards. Just a few years ago this would have sold for much less than $24k. Curious to see where the ceiling lies, if there will be one.
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Old Nov 29, 2016 | 02:23 PM
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Interesting to see prices for ITRs with swapped JDM fronts are trending upwards. Just a few years ago this would have sold for much less than $24k. Curious to see where the ceiling lies, if there will be one.
The prices in general are rising so those that don't want to spend $35K+ settle for the JDM front version at a discounted price. IMO there is no ceiling at the moment as these cars are still gaining momentum in the marketplace.
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Old Nov 29, 2016 | 03:20 PM
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2 years ago these cars were $10k all day long.

What a great return on investment that would have been .
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Although many of you are convinced that the only people out there willing to spend big money on an R are the people who want a bone stock, super low mileage, rubbed with baby diapers in it's climate controlled storage car, I am sure there are people who really want the essence of the car as it drives, and the specifics of the engine, want a well maintained low mileage example, but actually prefer the jdm front end look, at least if it is done properly, and (hopefully) not due to an accident.

Granted, I am not spending that kind of money on any Honda product short of an NSX, and didn't even spend that on our RSX when it was new, but if I were looking for a Type-R, I would be looking at the cars history and mechanical/ body condition first, and second I would be looking for one with a jdm front if possible. So there are people out there who prefer it.
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Old Nov 30, 2016 | 06:17 AM
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I could build you that molested ITR for half the money though.
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Originally Posted by testify
I could build you that molested ITR for half the money though.
With the same mileage and overall condition?

Just spitballing ideas here, but what would a purists take be on a caR that has the JDM front end, but also came with all of the original body parts, including rad support (which I assume needs to be changed) vin matched, undamaged, and the receipts for a body shop doing the work? And what are the comparable values for a low mileage, unmolested import/ grey market JDM caR of the same vintage?
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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 11:15 AM
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Although many of you are convinced that the only people out there willing to spend big money on an R are the people who want a bone stock, super low mileage, rubbed with baby diapers in it's climate controlled storage car, I am sure there are people who really want the essence of the car as it drives, and the specifics of the engine, want a well maintained low mileage example, but actually prefer the jdm front end look, at least if it is done properly, and (hopefully) not due to an accident.

Granted, I am not spending that kind of money on any Honda product short of an NSX, and didn't even spend that on our RSX when it was new, but if I were looking for a Type-R, I would be looking at the cars history and mechanical/ body condition first, and second I would be looking for one with a jdm front if possible. So there are people out there who prefer it.
If you prefer it, then you can snag one significantly cheaper. I'm not sure of the point that you're trying to make other than you're ok with the JDM front swap. The "essence" of the car is a 100% bone-stock one. That car is not that.

People who are collectors though want absolutely nothing to do with those cars. That's why it sold for $10K+ less than what it would have if the original owner had kept the stock front end.
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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by snobordboy

Just spitballing ideas here, but what would a purists take be on a caR that has the JDM front end, but also came with all of the original body parts, including rad support (which I assume needs to be changed) vin matched, undamaged, and the receipts for a body shop doing the work? And what are the comparable values for a low mileage, unmolested import/ grey market JDM caR of the same vintage?
Purists have spoke. A car like you describe sold for $10K+ less.

Imports are still 100% illegal in the USA. Talk to me when the JDM ITR hits the 25 year old mark. Still, LHD is not as popular as you might think, so those prices won't approach nice USDM examples.
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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 11:37 AM
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If you prefer it, then you can snag one significantly cheaper. I'm not sure of the point that you're trying to make other than you're ok with the JDM front swap. The "essence" of the car is a 100% bone-stock one. That car is not that.

People who are collectors though want absolutely nothing to do with those cars. That's why it sold for $10K+ less than what it would have if the original owner had kept the stock front end.
I think his point is that there are probably more of us jdm-front fans out there than might seem to be the case. We get that usdm fronts are the most valuable, but I really couldn't care less b/c of how awesome the jdm fronts are with hid headlights. We get the best of both worlds: looks and price.
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The market will dictate just how popular the JDM fronts are, and that $24k ITR is an example of the demand for them. Because this car would have sold for a lot less just a few years ago shows that there are those that are willing to shell out money for a modified ITR. Overall though they will not be as desirable as a bone stock ITR with low miles.
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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 03:30 PM
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Don't get me wrong...the JDM front is definitely better looking. But that's not how the car came and thus it'll always affect value.


Originally Posted by pogeeboy27
The market will dictate just how popular the JDM fronts are, and that $24k ITR is an example of the demand for them. Because this car would have sold for a lot less just a few years ago shows that there are those that are willing to shell out money for a modified ITR. Overall though they will not be as desirable as a bone stock ITR with low miles.
That car with a genuine USDM front would also have sold for quite a bit less a few years ago, so I'm not sure you're making a point here. The reason why it brought what it did was because of the condition and mileage--the JDM front held it back by over $10K. The nice ones are pulling all of the other ones up along with them.
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Originally Posted by Todd00
Don't get me wrong...the JDM front is definitely better looking. But that's not how the car came and thus it'll always affect value.




That car with a genuine USDM front would also have sold for quite a bit less a few years ago, so I'm not sure you're making a point here. The reason why it brought what it did was because of the condition and mileage--the JDM front held it back by over $10K. The nice ones are pulling all of the other ones up along with them.
The only point I'm trying to make is that there is still demand even for a modified ITR in good condition and low miles. That is all.
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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 06:38 PM
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The only point I'm trying to make is that there is still demand even for a modified ITR in good condition and low miles. That is all.
There's a demand for *every* ITR right now. That's going to happen when a car starts making a mark on the collector's market. Finding a cheap NSX is literally impossible right now (NSX's exploded several years before the ITR). You can still find cheap ITRs, but those days may be coming to an end.
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