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Old Oct 20, 2016 | 12:09 PM
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I have a 96 hatch running a lsvtec b18 bored to be a b20 turbocharged low compression.


If timing is way out could that throw a air/fuel code?
Make extreme power loss
Engine not turning over
Stalling when it ran.
And turbo glowing working minutes?
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Old Oct 20, 2016 | 12:11 PM
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Way off
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Old Oct 20, 2016 | 12:13 PM
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Noticed the cam closest to the firewall the nut was loose where I could back it out with my pinky.

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Old Oct 20, 2016 | 09:56 PM
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Set everything back to zero, torque all bolts properly and start over. All of your symptoms are the result of your slipped gears, hopefully you don't have any valvetrain damage.
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Old Oct 21, 2016 | 02:40 AM
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Set everything back to zero, torque all bolts properly and start over. All of your symptoms are the result of your slipped gears, hopefully you don't have any valvetrain damage.

Easiest way to do that? I am working with one hand due to a severe hand injury and surgery.
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Old Oct 21, 2016 | 07:03 AM
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Default Re: Timing out of wack 96 hatch

Probably find a friend to help you?

Torque cam bolts properly, rotate cams back to zero, torque cam gear bolt properly. Do not rotate the engine backwards in the process. Doubtful you can do that one handed.
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Old Oct 21, 2016 | 08:07 AM
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Probably find a friend to help you?

Torque cam bolts properly, rotate cams back to zero, torque cam gear bolt properly. Do not rotate the engine backwards in the process. Doubtful you can do that one handed.
Take the timing belt off?
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Old Oct 21, 2016 | 09:24 AM
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Could you explain how I can get them to tdc. Now confused by what people are telling me.
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Old Oct 21, 2016 | 10:29 AM
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Put piston 1 at TDC. You can check it removing spark plug #1 and putting a welding electrode. Then degree the cams to match the zero mark at the head. Your exhaust cam is too way retarded. That makes a lot of heat on the turbo.
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Put piston 1 at TDC. You can check it removing spark plug #1 and putting a welding electrode. Then degree the cams to match the zero mark at the head. Your exhaust cam is too way retarded. That makes a lot of heat on the turbo.
I remove the timing belt and then the cam gears counter clockwise till I reach tdc for both intake and exhaust can gears.
I turn them by hand or what's the process with that?
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No you don't need to remove the belt/ You need to loosen the adjuster bolts (they probably already are since both cams have slipped in them, all the way to the stops), use a wrench to turn the cams back to zero, and properly torque all of the bolts.

They were likely not properly torqued in the first place. What has happened there is that they slipped, and the outer gear continued to move with the timing belt until they ran out of travel.
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No you don't need to remove the belt/ You need to loosen the adjuster bolts (they probably already are since both cams have slipped in them, all the way to the stops), use a wrench to turn the cams back to zero, and properly torque all of the bolts.

They were likely not properly torqued in the first place. What has happened there is that they slipped, and the outer gear continued to move with the timing belt until they ran out of travel.
Undo the adjuster bolts for the inner and spin them counter clockwise till I get tdc.
For the outer to get it back is that the same kind.
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Don't take this offensively... but it seems like you're in over your head and your best bet is to find a mechanic friend or have the thing towed to a shop.

The adjuster bolts are the outer ones. The big inner bolt is what is holding the gears onto your cams. Do you own a small (3/8" or 1/4" drive in-lb) torque wrench?
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Don't take this offensively... but it seems like you're in over your head and your best bet is to find a mechanic friend or have the thing towed to a shop.

The adjuster bolts are the outer ones. The big inner bolt is what is holding the gears onto your cams. Do you own a small (3/8" or 1/4" drive in-lb) torque wrench?
Yes I know which ones are which. No offense taken. Just trying to get advise before I take action. I am able to do it . And yes I do have torque wrench.
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