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Old Nov 7, 2002 | 08:44 PM
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Default Why is the front of my car so high?

No, it hasn't been smoking weed everyday.

My suspension mods are:

Koni Yellows
ST Anti-Sway Bar
Prothane Bushings

It's kind of hard to tell with the fenders off, but I'll take better pics tomorrow when I get it out of the body shop.



Drove it about 120 miles since I've done the suspension work and it hasn't settled. The shock is all the way in the damper fork, the ball joints are all the way in, and I can't think of anything else that may make it sit like that. The Koni's are on the middle perch which is supposed to be stock height. I was going to throw in my Neuspeed Race springs just in the front to make it sit lower, but I shouldn't have to do that since the car should be at a decent stock height. It's about 5 inches between the top of the wheel and the fender. I borrowed a friend's 18 inch wheels to see what the effect was - the thing has SUV clearance in that situation.


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Old Nov 7, 2002 | 08:55 PM
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throw the race springs on the front and back and i think you will like it more. when i put my struts on, i put the stock dust cover on and it couldnt compress lol. so i had 5 inches worth of clearence too.
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Old Nov 7, 2002 | 10:50 PM
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on stock springs?

I dont think these shocks are going to give in anyless, they are made to have high tolerances
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Old Nov 7, 2002 | 10:58 PM
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Default Re: Why is the front of my car so high? (incogNitto)

are the front and rear springs compressed equally? it might just be the shock itself
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Old Nov 8, 2002 | 05:28 AM
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Default Re: Why is the front of my car so high? (dLo GSR)

To tell you the truth, it doesn't even seem as if the spring is being compressed in the front. I'm trying to figure out why other Integras can have Koni Yellows and not have this height problem - basically what have I done differently?

The rear seems to be compressed and it sits nicely, however the front is just...the way it is. I was told I may have to trim the bump stop, but I'm not really sure if the car is sitting on the bump stop right now.

I'll have to recheck the Koni box, maybe I got the wrong shock?

You can kind of see the back in this post: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=326391 , but it doesn't show the springs.

I'm at work right now so I don't have access to other pics of the back. I've also adjusted the front to the lowest firmness setting, and the back to a more firm setting in an attempt to reduce understeer.

If it makes a difference, the car had the entire front suspension out for a couple months, and when it was back in, it was sitting on jackstands for another month or so. I figured at least 120 miles would allow it to settle in that time. When the car is jacked, the suspension hangs so low that the knuckle comes VERY close to touching the spring. I'm going to try and put another 300 miles on the car this weekend and see how it does after that. If it doesn't go well, I'm going to put the Neuspeed Race springs in, but I shouldn't have to do that just to get it to sit correctly.

I'll also update this post tonight with better pictures of the whole setup.
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Old Nov 8, 2002 | 05:35 AM
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Default Re: Why is the front of my car so high? (incogNitto)

How about switching the spring perches front to rear, eh?

Looks like you've got the rear spring perch in the front, and vice versa.
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Old Nov 8, 2002 | 05:45 AM
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On the Konis there are adjustments for both shocks. Higher than stock, stock, and lower than stock for the front. Stock and lower than stock for the back. Right now the front is on the middle perch (stock) and the back is on the top perch (stock). I can't have the actual shocks mixed up because they basically aren't interchangeable, the front goes into a damper fork, and the rear bolts directly to the LCA.

How about switching the spring perches front to rear, eh?

Looks like you've got the rear spring perch in the front, and vice versa.
Do you mean switch the actual perch off the shock from front to back? I'm not sure if it will fit, but I'll take a look tonight to see if that may be the case, but I don't think I could've mixed them up seeing as how I did the front and the back on two seperate ocassions (without driving the car in between the changes though).
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Old Nov 8, 2002 | 05:50 AM
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Default Re: Why is the front of my car so high? (incogNitto)

You sure you dont have the front springs in the rear, and rear springs in the front? I know it's dumb, but people do make mistakes.. (Rear springs are taller)


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Old Nov 8, 2002 | 06:13 AM
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Default Re: Why is the front of my car so high? (incogNitto)

On the Konis there are adjustments for both shocks. Higher than stock, stock, and lower than stock for the front. Stock and lower than stock for the back. Right now the front is on the middle perch (stock) and the back is on the top perch (stock). I can't have the actual shocks mixed up because they basically aren't interchangeable, the front goes into a damper fork, and the rear bolts directly to the LCA.

How about switching the spring perches front to rear, eh?

Looks like you've got the rear spring perch in the front, and vice versa.

Do you mean switch the actual perch off the shock from front to back? I'm not sure if it will fit, but I'll take a look tonight to see if that may be the case, but I don't think I could've mixed them up seeing as how I did the front and the back on two seperate ocassions (without driving the car in between the changes though).
i think he means the hats
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Old Nov 8, 2002 | 06:38 AM
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Default Re: Why is the front of my car so high? (dLo GSR)

No. I mean the perch.
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Old Nov 8, 2002 | 07:00 AM
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Default Re: Why is the front of my car so high? (IN VTEC)

No. I mean the perch.
So do you suggest I switch the silver cup/perches from the shocks from front to back?
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Old Nov 8, 2002 | 07:50 AM
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Default Re: Why is the front of my car so high? (incogNitto)

I think the springs might need to be switched. (front to back)
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Old Nov 8, 2002 | 07:57 AM
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No. I mean the perch.

So do you suggest I switch the silver cup/perches from the shocks from front to back?
looks like you have the rear spring seats in the front.



they should be like that

the cup type seats go in the rears and the disc type seat goes on the fronts.
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Old Nov 8, 2002 | 07:59 AM
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Default Re: Why is the front of my car so high? (Chris)

If the springs are switched front to back, the front would sit super low.

My Konis have 2 slots in front (stock and lower), and 3 slots in back (stock, higher, and lower).

You have the perches mixed up, I can see in them in the pics. Those perches on your front shocks are supposed to be in back, and I'm guessing the perches on your rear shocks should be in front.

Make sure your perches and shocks match up as shown in this picture, and make sure the front spring perches sit on the shock just like in this pic:

*edit* see above, silverB18C1 beat me to it


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Old Nov 8, 2002 | 08:03 AM
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Default Re: Why is the front of my car so high? (PatrickGSR94)

yep

also make sure the front spring seat looks like this...

it should look like an alien spaceship
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Old Nov 8, 2002 | 02:44 PM
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Default Re: Why is the front of my car so high? (SilverB18C1)

Thank you for illustrating that.
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Old Nov 9, 2002 | 01:44 AM
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Default Re: Why is the front of my car so high? (SilverB18C1)

Here's a picture of the front:




I (actually you guys) found my problem. Inability to follow directions.

The front plate is upside down! I feel like a fool driving the car like that for so long. Well one night / 100 miles.

Thanks for all the help.


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Old Nov 9, 2002 | 03:42 AM
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Default Re: Why is the front of my car so high? (incogNitto)

Haha damn, we were all wrong. You should've showed that pic!
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Old Nov 9, 2002 | 01:10 PM
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Here's a picture of the front:




I (actually you guys) found my problem. Inability to follow directions.

The front plate is upside down! I feel like a fool driving the car like that for so long. Well one night / 100 miles.

Thanks for all the help.


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yep flip that baby over
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Old Nov 9, 2002 | 03:32 PM
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Default Re: Why is the front of my car so high? (SilverB18C1)

Just a curious question about these shocks.

It appears that you can lower your car even on stock springs up to an inch or so... am i right by assuming this? And if so... would i then be able to lower my car on oem type r springs also?

Are just teh koni yellows like this or are there other shocks similar?
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Old Nov 9, 2002 | 03:35 PM
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Default Re: Why is the front of my car so high? (98DC4tegNA)

Just a curious question about these shocks.

It appears that you can lower your car even on stock springs up to an inch or so... am i right by assuming this? And if so... would i then be able to lower my car on oem type r springs also?

Are just teh koni yellows like this or are there other shocks similar?
just konis. you can lower your car 25mm in the front and 15mm in the back. Roughly 1inch and 2/3inch front and back.
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Old Nov 9, 2002 | 11:21 PM
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Default Re: Why is the front of my car so high? (SilverB18C1)

Here are the directions I was following (Looks like I followed the bottom one, on the second page, instead of the middle):





I changed the perch today and everything is sittin pretty now. Thanks to everyone who offered their help!


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Old Nov 10, 2002 | 07:26 AM
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yep

also make sure the front spring seat looks like this...

it should look like an alien spaceship
What's up with the 5 settings for the snap-ring?!? Mine only have 3!
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Old Nov 10, 2002 | 08:03 AM
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With the Neuspeed Koni Yellows (with the 5 rings), the ranges are:

+/- ~.5" front and back, in ~.25" increments. These are just approximate values b/c this is what I measured when I had the shocks for simplicity's sake. The exact values are probably metric and slightly different.


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