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Old Feb 28, 2016 | 08:47 PM
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Lookin for suggestions on a turbo. Its going on a fully built, i.e. sleeved block, forged internals etc, b18c1. Straight line speed is my goal specifically the 1/4 mile but a lil street racing in between . KLM forward face manifold, tial Q60, Tial v50, KLM 1000hp intercooler and DSS level 5.9 axel/shaft setup.
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Old Feb 28, 2016 | 10:21 PM
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What is your power goal?
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Old Feb 28, 2016 | 10:49 PM
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As said above your ET and/or power goal is the first criteria. The new tech billet 62 and 64 mm units from all the major turbo suppliers are really producing the numbers and give a decent enough powerband to double up for street use.

The units below are all 700 - 850 hp capable (some a little more)

PTE 6062 Gen 2
PTE 6262
PTE 6266 Gen 2
PTE 6466

BW S362 SXE
BW S364 SXE

Comp 6262
Comp 6265

Xona 7864
Xona 7865
Xona 8267
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Old Mar 1, 2016 | 07:07 PM
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What is your power goal?
My goal is not in HP but in time. I want a streetable 10sec car. Current set up went high 11s at 117.
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Old Mar 1, 2016 | 07:18 PM
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My goal is not in HP but in time. I want a streetable 10sec car. Current set up went high 11s at 117.
All you really need is 500hp with a full weight car to go 10's
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Old Mar 1, 2016 | 07:23 PM
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you need a turbo match the power band and power goal you want
you need to calculated compressor map for the motor need
and i you can buy couple different turbine housing a/r size to found the best power band on a dyno
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Old Mar 1, 2016 | 10:58 PM
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My goal is not in HP but in time. I want a streetable 10sec car. Current set up went high 11s at 117.
You wouldn't need more than a 60 lb/min turbo then, so a 5858, GTX3576R, S257 SXE etc would probably fit your bill and provide a decent powerband.
The new Xona Rotor sub 60 mm turbo's also look sweet !
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Old Mar 1, 2016 | 11:00 PM
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All you really need is 500hp with a full weight car to go 10's
No offense but that sounds like BS. Point being corvettes, they have close to 500 out the box and dont run 10s from the factory
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Old Mar 1, 2016 | 11:03 PM
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You wouldn't need more than a 60 lb/min turbo then, so a 5858, GTX3576R, S257 SXE etc would probably fit your bill and provide a decent powerband.
The new Xona Rotor sub 60 mm turbo's also look sweet !
Let me clarify a little. Current set=full race ramhorn, garrett 60-1 fully built gsr= high 11s@117
Soon to be set up=forward face manifold, 1000hp intercooler, 2000cc injectors same fully built gsr
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Old Mar 2, 2016 | 04:17 AM
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For a street/strip car. Gen. 2 CEA Ball Bearing 6466 Precision hands down. Myself I am running a Gen 2. DBB CEA 6870 but have a S2000 and its a bit more of a drag car. The new SXE Borg Warners are pretty sick too. But I would get something in the 62-64mm range that is rated for 800-900 range.
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Old Mar 2, 2016 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by geezerboost
No offense but that sounds like BS. Point being corvettes, they have close to 500 out the box and dont run 10s from the factory
its something called power to weight ratio! LOL your comparison is invalid when trying to compare similar power numbers on a honda (very light chassis) versus a domestic (heavy as rocks) LOL

I had 500+hp on my integra and ran 10s on a GT3076R!
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Old Mar 2, 2016 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by geezerboost
No offense but that sounds like BS. Point being corvettes, they have close to 500 out the box and dont run 10s from the factory
Originally Posted by 98B18C1
its something called power to weight ratio! LOL your comparison is invalid when trying to compare similar power numbers on a honda (very light chassis) versus a domestic (heavy as rocks) LOL

I had 500+hp on my integra and ran 10s on a GT3076R!
You take a 600hp Corvette with a radial and it can run 9's. a full weight honda civic is about 500lbs lighter than the corvette is..... do the math. it can be done . Honda will need slicks of course...
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Old Mar 3, 2016 | 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by geezerboost
Let me clarify a little. Current set=full race ramhorn, garrett 60-1 fully built gsr= high 11s@117
Soon to be set up=forward face manifold, 1000hp intercooler, 2000cc injectors same fully built gsr
To be honest, you should be able to get your current setup a lot closer to the 10's than where you are at the moment. Maybe you need to give us more info on your setup in terms of fuel, boost and tyre size.

I run 10.90's @ 140 mph with a Holset HX40, 84mm LS/Vtec in a full weight EG plus a 6 point cage (2500 lbs) on a 24.5 x 8.0 slick.
Our track is really poor so on a better track like you guys have access to, the car should be even quicker ET wise.
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Old Mar 3, 2016 | 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by extremeracer
To be honest, you should be able to get your current setup a lot closer to the 10's than where you are at the moment. Maybe you need to give us more info on your setup in terms of fuel, boost and tyre size.

I run 10.90's @ 140 mph with a Holset HX40, 84mm LS/Vtec in a full weight EG plus a 6 point cage (2500 lbs) on a 24.5 x 8.0 slick.
Our track is really poor so on a better track like you guys have access to, the car should be even quicker ET wise.
Your MPH shows you are somewhere in the 600-650hp range..... ?
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Old Mar 3, 2016 | 03:33 AM
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Your MPH shows you are somewhere in the 600-650hp range..... ?
Correct you are, around 600 on a fair dyno, a little more probably on a Dynojet. Don't mean to hijack the OP's thread, but it validates my point that his current setup isn't working for some reason.

My 10.90 was with a poor 1.78 60ft, the average "good number" for my car. Hoping that the new 4-port solenoid and softer wastegate spring will allow me to come off softer and get into the 1.6x range and drop the ET to 10.50's or so...

For the OP's setup the MPH is really low, unless he is running bad fuel and/or low boost. The 60-1 is an old school turbo but it should still get you to over 500whp based on the 60 lb/min flow rate.
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Old Mar 3, 2016 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by extremeracer
Correct you are, around 600 on a fair dyno, a little more probably on a Dynojet. Don't mean to hijack the OP's thread, but it validates my point that his current setup isn't working for some reason.

My 10.90 was with a poor 1.78 60ft, the average "good number" for my car. Hoping that the new 4-port solenoid and softer wastegate spring will allow me to come off softer and get into the 1.6x range and drop the ET to 10.50's or so...

For the OP's setup the MPH is really low, unless he is running bad fuel and/or low boost. The 60-1 is an old school turbo but it should still get you to over 500whp based on the 60 lb/min flow rate.
Yeah you are gonna need to be at least in the 130mph range to run a 10. But at full weight you will need to be closer to 140mph .....

My ek hatch gutted , no cage with only 400hp on 23" slicks was able to run a 10.94@127 .....
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Old Mar 8, 2016 | 07:56 AM
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Are you guys really trying to compare a naturally aspired V8 powerband and power to weight ratio vs a forced induction I4 powerband and power to weight ratio?
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Originally Posted by extremeracer
As said above your ET and/or power goal is the first criteria. The new tech billet 62 and 64 mm units from all the major turbo suppliers are really producing the numbers and give a decent enough powerband to double up for street use.

The units below are all 700 - 850 hp capable (some a little more)

PTE 6062 Gen 2
PTE 6262
PTE 6266 Gen 2
PTE 6466

BW S362 SXE
BW S364 SXE

Comp 6262
Comp 6265

Xona 7864
Xona 7865
Xona 8267
the perfect turbo is not PTE.
Garrett GTW, GTX, GT or any Borg warner series.
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Old Mar 9, 2016 | 02:19 PM
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The sad part is the founder of PTE worked for Garrett for almost 2 decades in the field and in engineering... he obviously didn't learn a whole lot during that time LOL!
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Old Mar 9, 2016 | 10:35 PM
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the perfect turbo is not PTE.
Garrett GTW, GTX, GT or any Borg warner series.
I know you not a fan of PTE from your other posts. I myself am hesitant towards PTE based purely on their reliability or lack thereof, the truth remains though that the majority of their designs (especially the Gen2 turbos) produce more flow per mm than the other brands. The problem for us international folk are that the cost to send a failed PTE unit back to them for repair is ridiculous, where as USA customers have a much easier path to follow.

I personally run Holset's on my cars, and I'm in the process of upgrading my HX40 to "6466" equivalent specs, rather than going out and buying a PTE.

Not sure why I left off Garrett on my initial list, a GT3582, GTX3576R or GTW3476/3684 are all good options too.
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Originally Posted by OneBadTurboCRV
The sad part is the founder of PTE worked for Garrett for almost 2 decades in the field and in engineering... he obviously didn't learn a whole lot during that time LOL!
Its like if I was working for soft drink company and the main sweetener was Cane sugar but then I heard about this cool substitute called high fructose corn syrup, its easy to make its everywhere and it its cheap and bad for your health. However all I care about is making fast money, so open my own business selling soft drinks made with corn syrup. Comparing turbos to soft drinks but hey you get my drift. PTE is cheap quality **** sold at the price of good quality parts.
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reading this is making me regret buying my gen 2 turbo LOL
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Old Mar 13, 2016 | 03:26 PM
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I'm running a gtx 3076r 82ar and maxed it out at 573whp
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Old Mar 14, 2016 | 08:20 PM
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Ive been running PTE turbos for a while now. This year i made the switch to BorgWarner. We shall see if this unit will put up with more damage or not.
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Originally Posted by kr3w108
Ive been running PTE turbos for a while now. This year i made the switch to BorgWarner. We shall see if this unit will put up with more damage or not.
SX-E, EFR or original SX series ?
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