I've had my 94 accord ex for quite some time now (close to 10years). I had minor issues I fixed myself but it ended up sitting a bit once the water pump went out and I got a new truck. That being said I fixed the pump 3 years later but realized the head had been wrapped as well. After removing it and the shop telling me it had been milled down once or twice already I ended up buying another used f22b1. Here's were Im at now. The car is now my "work car" but since I have the other motor (minus the head) I'm slowly turning it into my "project car". Not really wanting turbo but definitely want some zoom when I need it. I'm leaning towards bisi cam shaft, definitely new exhaust as mine has withered away, header, possibly larger TB, and injectors. I've read quite a few threads on similar builds and I guess I am fishing for more ideas and or thoughts on what I can do with the extra motor. Not only that once I have these mods in place what's the proper steps to help tune and get the gains Im lookin for out of them. I figured since the motor is out, work on it and just do an easy swap once I'm finished. Thanks in advance.

 

Save your money. Don't bother with the F22 unless you're going boost. As far as I know, bisimoto has pretty much abandoned the Honda scene judging by his website. Even if you were set on a regrind it would be easier and cheaper to go through Web or Delta yourself and eliminate the middle man. Bisi gets his cams reground by Web the last I checked. Just sell the F series stuff you have and buy an H22 or JDM H23A swap, get some good quality bolt ons and a good tune. Should put you around 200whp and be plenty quick. Make sure you get a good short geared manual transmission with it too. Gearing makes a huge difference and the long gears of the F22 transmission just don't compliment the H series very well. A JDM H22 swap with trans, bolt ons and tune should have you out the door and driving it for no more than $2500 if you shop around.

In the end you will get a much better "bang for your buck" switching to an H series. The F22 has very little aftermarket support and doesn't flow that well unless you pour money into it. Even swapping to the "best" flowing F22A head, you will still have more money into it chasing the similar power levels to a stock H22/H23A.

 

The F22B1 is VTEC-E, switching from 12 to 16 valves. It's not even as good as D series VTEC (speaking strictly performance-wise).

The ports on the F22A head are beast. I have one alongside a blown F22B2 in my backyard. Get one and use it with your B1 block. Get an H series transmission or at least an Accord wagon trans.

Give Bisi a call. I've heard he still does Honda stuff, he just doesn't advertise it. I'd be curious to find out.

 

I've read quite a few threads in the f22b1 and people have got decent numbers out of them. Now I probably should have mentioned in the original that I'm making this a fun car to zip around in nothing crazy that's almost track worthy. I've looked into bisi and found they do still offer the cam shaft for this. Baller,as far as the A head I've heard mixed comments and I'm not quit sure which way to go. I guess it doesn't matter seeing I need a head anyway. That being said what do I need to marry the two together? Since you have ours done already how easy was it?

 

Anybody else have any input??

 

What's your goal? If you are looking for 200 hp (flywheel) than it's probably not worth it to mod the F22. But if you just want a little extra oomph than that shouldn't be too hard.

From my research on the F22A6, a H23 intake plenum and cam regrind should net a noticable improvement (15 hp?). I don't know if the F22B responds as well as the F22A to mods but you can check this thread out here. Guy uses a F23 manifold and says he gained some power from it. You probably could get even more from a H23/A6 manifold, the F23 manifold doesn't have the variable intake tract like the H23/A6, free ponies.

what intake manifold fit on f22b1 - CB7Tuner Forums

FWIW, i'm planning on tracking my 92 EX. It's all stock, it's not fast, but should be a good car to start on. I find the F22 to be a willing partner, it's stout and sounds great. It's all about what your goals are with the car.

 

I tried to tell OP it was a waste to mod the F22 all motor but nobody listens to the guy with 10+ years experience with H/F platforms. Some people just want to waste their money and repeat others mistakes.

Even with the F22A head, you'll have the cost of a complete JDM H22/H23A in it if you do it the right way and I can guarantee you'll be making at least 40whp less. Good luck.

 

I'm not taking it to the track but I definitely want to get what I can out of it. I'd really like to just make it a fun far to drive around but have noticeable ho/speed when I want it. I guess it's a small project car seeing how I'm going to paint it as well . I wouldn't even be thinking about doing anything except for the fact I have another B1 motor in the garage

 

Masosoaghetti, from different searches I've found 200-250hp wouldn't be hard to achieve. This is probably a goal in leaning towards unless I decide to boost it later. I know I said I didn't want to go turbo but it's not ruled out. Waiting to hear back from bisi but I did find the cam shaft on their website

 

IMO, 250 hp from a naturally aspirated F22 is out of the question without some major money. I/H/E, better plenum, better cam, tune would not get you above 170 hp. Maybe you could rework the head for higher compression, add better valvetrain stuff for higher RPM breathing, but you're still going to be shy of 200 hp.

That said, it would still be a fun car to drive. But give yourself realistic goals or you'll end up disappointed.

 

^^^^^^^^ This. Nothing more needs to be said. Just do what he says unless you want to learn on your own (aka - the hard way).

--- CB7 (93 accord) Owner for 10 years +
Multiple engines tried, now running H22A / 17PSI / 410WHP

 

I don't know what kind of misinformation you've been reading or where but 200-250hp on an all motor F22 is a pretty much unheard of without a colossal amount of money and work put into it. The most I've seen on a street car was around 200whp out of a high compression built F23 bottom end(which has more stroke than an F22) paired with a ported/cammed/etc F22A head and some serious port work on the intake manifold, not to mention a header that was easily $1500. I'll say this one last time, if you're looking for NA power, you're wasting your money on the F22. Take it from guys who know and have been there and done that. You know what it takes for an H22 to crack 200whp? Bolt ons and a good tune. That's it. The F22 was an ECONOMY motor from the start. It was never meant to flow well or make crazy amounts of power. I messed with F22s all motor and boosted for a long time. When I finally made the switch to a JDM H23A, I made more power on 9psi than I made on the F22 at 16-17psi. Same turbo setup. Let that rattle around in your head for a minute.
Exactly like I was trying to tell the OP. The mods you listed will cost more, and be more complicated in implementing, than just just going to an importer and grabbing a JDM H22A/H23A and dropping it in the car.
Thank you. It's so ridiculous seeing posts when people come in asking for advice and get shot down by people who KNOW BETTER, then they want to argue or disregard the good advice because it's not what they wanted to hear in the first place.

 

Ok I get like I got it the first time, but this is a forum where you ask questions and get opinions. I understand, even before any research the 22b isn't the best platform but like I originally said I have an extra one so making a little more power was my goal. That being said if I can find a decent priced H22, I wouldn't be opposed to doing a swap since that was my idea of beefing up the other f22. I've been looking but curious to which y'all prefer. I found a few close home but not sure why hats the difference between the A1 or A4. Also H22 or H23 ?

 

H22A1 is rated at a lower power level than the other models. Comes in at 187hp as opposed to 197hp of all the others.

H22A4 is rated at 197hp. You should stay away from these unless you know what you're buying. Some came in the Type SH prelude, which had a different kind of transmission and the block is not the same as the standard block. A normal transmission will not work with those blocks.

I generally advise against buying a used engine from a USDM vehicle unless it's a good deal and you know it's in good condition. Typically importers have JDM H22A/H23A with 40k-50k miles for dirt cheap nowadays which is a much better deal since the motor has less miles and typically comes with a warranty. Just get an 00-01 JDM H23A and call it good. It'll crack 200whp without breaking a sweat and make more torque than a similar H22. Do some research on your own, google and wikipedia are your friends.

 

What further measures do I need to do as far as the ECU and other connections if I continue with this swap? Also that's obviously more power than the F22b1 so I'm guessing a tranny swap would be in the project as well?