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Old Oct 6, 2015 | 04:06 PM
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Default Hi.newbie here, need help to shut down big V8 guy mouth!

hello guys . Im new to the states but I've always been an import fan. Well problem is there's this guy at work we kinda have a love and hate relationship (go figure) but he thinks he knows about cars bla bla bla and he always put me down lol. He drives a slighty modified firebird and he always tries to prove his point on my import crowd. Long story short ,this is my little proyect. Paid $900 for it and I have 4 grand to spend alone. I see this as an opportunity to make a nice little build while humiliating this jackass. I want to go all motor to prove him once and for all that my 4 banger can be as fast ,if not faster than his little pos. What kind of engine swap and parts would yeld the best results??




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Old Oct 6, 2015 | 05:22 PM
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got more info of his car. 97 V8, header,intake, exhaust, electric water pump, car fully gutted (no ac,no passengers seat,plastic panels out) lightweight K-member and suspension mods.dont knwo how much power is putting down, he wont tell me that!
Old Oct 6, 2015 | 07:31 PM
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Default Re: Hi.newbie here, need help to shut down big V8 guy mouth!

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dont knwo how much power is putting down, he wont tell me that!
Not as much as he would if it was a 98

That LT1 with bolt-ons is probably making 250-270rwhp and probably high 12s if it is indeed gutted and on a decent tire.
Old Oct 6, 2015 | 07:40 PM
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More insight on the car lol A friend of ours said the car did 12.1 with bad 60ft . it also has Hot cams and is gutted to bare guts. I think I might have a chance if build properly! what engine swap do you suggest?
Old Oct 6, 2015 | 08:07 PM
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With only 4k? Totally gut the hell out of that shell, drop in a good condition, stock gsr engine/trans combo, throw a 100 wet shot of nitrous, and get sticky tires.
Old Oct 6, 2015 | 08:13 PM
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I cant have boost or nitrous . I want to prove him I can make more power, be more reliable and faster all motor, than his american garbage.
Old Oct 6, 2015 | 08:16 PM
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Well, 4k isnt gonna be enough i think to build a sub 12s all motor engine.
Old Oct 6, 2015 | 08:18 PM
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B20v
Pro1?
Rs pistons
B16 trans
Gutted
Old Oct 6, 2015 | 08:18 PM
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Your "buddy" is trying to compare two totally different things if he's not letting you take boost or nitrous into the equation.

There's just no way.

Only thing I see possible in the 4k budget is H2B, straight skeleton shell, with cams, tuned, on slicks. To get under 12sec passes of course on all motor. K series would be too costly I think.
Old Oct 6, 2015 | 10:36 PM
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full B18C5 swap end of story
Old Oct 7, 2015 | 06:56 AM
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Buddy of mine went 11.8 on a stock J swap with a tune. It would be a little more than 4k because he was on AEM V2. But the point is, to go low 12s with a B series or H2B, youll have to do a lot more mods and loose some streetability. I cant remember if he had the j32 or j35. with header, intake, exhaust and a tune. Went 11.8 on slicks Because its still a stock motor it drives like stock. Then you have a great all motor platform for future mods.
Old Oct 7, 2015 | 07:52 AM
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You need torque...gobs of torque.....j35 swap.
Old Oct 7, 2015 | 08:40 AM
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Default Re: Hi.newbie here, need help to shut down big V8 guy mouth!

Originally Posted by m4xwellmurd3r
Well, 4k isnt gonna be enough i think to build a sub 12s all motor engine.
As these guys said; J swap or bust.
past that, 4k won't be enough.
Old Oct 7, 2015 | 09:17 AM
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What ^ they said here is everything you need to know with all the details and the list of parts you need.


Honda J-Series - Engine Swap - Honda Tuning Magazine
Old Oct 7, 2015 | 09:32 AM
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You guys know this is the year 2015, right?
Old Oct 7, 2015 | 09:37 AM
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I would totally do this in a crv though, the look on his face when a crv screams past him....
Old Oct 7, 2015 | 09:38 AM
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When I had a stock B18CR swap I beat tons of stockish LS1 Firebirds/Camaros. Once you start throwing mods at an LSX motor they get fast real quick.
Old Oct 7, 2015 | 10:01 AM
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So...for $4900 total, instead of having a decent car to drive around, you're aiming to have a car that is a total gutted skeleton, sucks to drive, and is held together by tape and prayer....but runs a potential 12.0 in order to prove a point to a guy that's not going to understand the point anyway. And that's how you would "WIN" the race.

Along the same line, this one time, my friend and I had a bet to see who could withstand the most hammer blows to the phalanges. So I put my finger on the table and just motherfu&#ing vaporized it with a hammer. There was fu#&ing blood and semen(??) EVERYWHERE.

My friend looks at it and goes "damn. That seems awful. I'm not doing that ****".

I won the F#&K out of that.

But to answer your question, buy a big motor. Put it in a lightweight car. Discover how inevitable physics is. Its not rocket science...even though its EXACTLY how they design rockets.

Rockets, player.

A H23 bluetop is like $900. Buy that. B16 trans and H2B kit. Buy slicks. Remove everything except steering wheel, pedals, and seat. Go do it.

Or...buy a wrecked TSX, re-sell the good parts, ghetto fab the motor into the chassis. Remove everything as above. And go do it.
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not going to be easy, at all. best time i could pull out of a b16 was a 13.6 with itr cams/im. 1.6 seconds is an eternity. this is all very driver dependent as well. ive seen too many b16 swapped civics run high 14-low 15's as well. no turbo, forget about 12's. youll have your budget in headwork alone on a motor you don't have yet.
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What the **** is y'alls problem? Not a single one of you stopped this ****?

https://honda-tech.com/honda-civic-d...sting-3002401/

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Old Oct 7, 2015 | 12:43 PM
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What the **** is y'alls problem? Not a single one of you stopped this ****?

https://honda-tech.com/honda-civic-d...sting-3002401/
Just came across this. Reading through first before the lock to see if ANYONE pointed to the FAQ at the very least.
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