I have a few questions concerning the rulebook and the Honda S2000.

(1) Rule 2.0: "Minimum of six point bolt-in roll cage ...etc."

Question: Does this rule apply to the S2000 as well, or will a four point suffice (a six point in this car would be extremely difficult)?

(2) Rule 2.0: "Driver's side windows nets are required on all cars. Arm restraints are required on all open top cars."

Question: Could someone elobarote on this. Is the suggestion that an S2000 should run w/ the top down and that one should wear arm restraints such as the Catterham (sp.) drivers wear?

(3) Rule 3.1: "Final drives (ring and pinion) may be changed."

Question: Does this mean that one can change the rear end gearing -or- would one have to change the final mission in the actual transmission? Aftermarket companies make both parts (ATS vs. J's Racing).

(4) Rule 3.2: "Any single bodied shock absorber may be used (remote reservoir shocks are subject to class bump."

Question: The S2000 has remote reservoirs stock ...some elaboration would help on this issue.

(5) Rule 3.4: Vehicle Exterior

Question: Are hardtops allowed -and- if they are must one use OEM or can they source an aftermarket piece (i.e. Mugen)?

I believe that is it for now.

Chris - who is starting to explore his options since NASA-VA keeps bitching because he is too tall.

 

oh fugg...

 

I had no idea S2000's had RR shocks stock. Where are the RR's mounted?


I would think they would be required to run w/ a hardtop - they are in SCCA T2. IMO, the S2000 ought to be prepped to the T2 ruleset and nothing further...

 

Told you dude, just scrunch down, either that or some surgery to shorten your legs might work too.

Don't feel too bad though, most of the drivers this weekend in the S2000 and Z3's were too tall. If the rule change does go into effect before the beginning of next season a lot of drivers are going to have to make changes before they can run in their school groups.

 

The rears are remote ...they are attached to the lower portion of the shock itself (makes running the UK camber settings really interesting). The reservoirs are attached to the shock body, but they function as a remote design.

I may be able to source a picture for you if you want.


[Modified by coquinn, 3:20 PM 11/5/2002]

 

I think they just bitch at me because I roll all. :-O

Just kidding. ;-)


[Modified by coquinn, 3:17 PM 11/5/2002]

 

Yes. Shouldn't be any hardder then a Miata. In front in firewall, behind seats, and to the rear shock towers.

Correct. As I read that, a hard top is not required for NASA/HC. If you choose to run w/o a top, you will need to wear arm restraints. Window net will need to be there regarless.

I will punt on this one. I think the rules as written were only thinking FWD. Maybe we need to clear that up for '03.

Are you shure about that? Do you have a link that shows this? That rule is there to stop people from running high dollar racing shocks like Moton, etc.

I will punt on this as well. Though since the rukes don't say anything about hardtops, OEM would be the only safe bet.

 

 

Thanks!

Here is another picture (ignore the exploded rotor):

http://www.s2ki.com/imagecatalog/imageview/11599/6/

That's the best I could do on short notice.

 

are arm restraints used in place of the window net or just for topless autos?

 

bish dont make me go back down to intermediate

how about ripping out those pretty red leather seats and putting in a racing bucket?

 

Generally they are used in open top & open cockpuit cars where there is no way to fit a window net. As the HC rules are written there, all cars need window nets. Not a problem, since they can be easily fitted to all the cars classed in HC.

As for the rear shocks, what do you know, those do have a remote resevior. How do Konis, Tein's etc look for the Sk2??


[Modified by SPiFF, 3:50 PM 11/5/2002]

 

If you continue to Rally-X when you're in HPDE we might just have to bump you back down to intermediate anyway.

 

are you thinking what I think you're thinking.......

when you say roll all , you should include someone else in that


[Modified by Doctor CorteZ, 9:32 PM 11/5/2002]

 

The all follow the same format usually ...some compaines (usually the higher end such as JIC and Mugen) have an actual remote reservoir, not attached to the actual shock body.

Also, the reason I was inquiring on the roll cage is because no one has designed a six-point bolt-in cage (there is only one cage designed for the S2000 and it is a four-point). I was trying to avoid going w/ a weld in cage and retaining the dash in it's original configuration if possible.

Another question is about NASA national: They have accepted the OEM roll-hoops for the S2000 and the new Porsche; I was wondering if this would have any effect on the rules.

Thanks!

 

Dis iz tr00.

Jamie and I rolled all (except for elgorey). ;-)

 

You need a full cage. No debate.

The way the HC rules are worded, it appears you may run topless with arm restraints. Removal of the soft top would probably be requried to properly place the rear supports. Since a factory option top is available, IMO it should be requried for safety's sake (as is the case with Miatas, which run the hard top and gut the soft top). But I don't make the rules.

I would imagine changing the rear end gearing would be easier. This is what is allowed in SCCA-IT and NASA-PS.

The shock question is tricky - I imagine you use stock shock or a single bodied replacement. Most of the SCCA rules are worded similarly (albeit where such wording exists is in no way related to club racing, but to solo).

 

and an RX7 who didnt like to use pass signals....

 

The reason why Miatas run with a hardtop and cage is because if you just have the cage up top, it tends to dig in when you're sliding upsidedown. If you're skidding on a nifty fiberglass tub, then you can happily keep skidding along for football fields on end, should you so desire.

Warren

 

Lots of speculation here. Let me go ahead and end it (for the most part).

1. You will need a full 6 point cage. I'm sure Walt Puckett will be glad to make you a legal custom bolt-in. Mark Stewart and Mitch Piper could as well.

2. If you run with the hard top, you will not need arm restraints, just a window net. We prefer the hard top and you will too (aero).

3. The final drive rule was written with just FWD in mind. A flub on our part. I'll let Karl make the call on this. Looks like we need a rule re-write.

4. If OEM are remote reservoirs, then they are legal to run in that same configuration. We didn't realize this about the OEMs on the S2000, so it looks like that car gets a little loophole in the shock rules.

5. Dont forget that you also have to ditch your airbags. After a little issue we had this year, the rule will be re-written to state that they must be removed.

Hope that helps. Karl will clear up the FD thing.

 

So you guys weren't the only ones getting held up. Man I wanted to go yell at that guy, he's in freaking Intermediate for Christ's sake! Him and that old Camaro...grrr...

Anyway, it was quite nice hearing coquinn blast by (rrrrrrAAAAAAOOOOOWWWWWW).

BTW, between shifts your S2K spurted a bit of smoke. Did you know about this?

 

three slowest non pass giving cars in INT

MR2 spyda
white Miata
camaro

 

What color was the smoke and was it when I was bouncing off the rev limiter?

Also ...I now I was smoking going up the hill coming out of turn nine ...the right rear tire was spinning.

 

Ah ok it was from turn 9, and it was blue smoke

 

Thanks.

I aimed the camera backwards my last two sessions to get some interesting footage. I got plenty of tire smoking adventures coming up the hill.

I got some good footage of Doctor Cortez as well. I'll post some MPEG later in the week.

BTW ...who is the guy driving the red Integra from Madison Motorsports ...he said something to me while I was on the grid and I wanted to say thanks. I saw him corner working at CMP back during the summer as well.