https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/honda-...200014190.html

Hope it's not a joke.

 

Even if it is, that car is hideous. The Integra Type R will always look light years better, but different era I guess. The ITR was designed by the NSX-R team in it's time, this new civic just looks like a hyped up boy racer civic, nothing more. It will be kid filled in no time.

 

Shh!! C'mon bro! If Honda hears you they'll hold out another 15 years before offering us another Type R!

My Integra will always be a very special car to me and I and I prefer its styling to just about anything out there. So while I wouldn't buy a new Civic R to replace it I would most definitely buy one to replace my 09 Civic SI that I use for commuting. Especially if we receive something from Honda's new line of turbo VTEC motors. Keep in mind that the car in the photo is not the R version. It is just the new civic concept. Who knows? It could look pretty sweet in NH-0. I was definitely not a fan of the 06-11 civic's looks at all even a couple years ago, but now that I drive one its kind of been growing on me. I suppose being white with red badges doesn't hurt.

 

LOL I guess that the kids will be "all over" it. The ITR just looks like an actual sports car, long slung and what not, the new civic type r looks like a ricey civic. I don't drive my type r anymore, it's a garage queen, but I guess if it's in Honda's new racing interest then so be it.............................................I JUST THINK THE ITR IS BETTER LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

 

new civic type r reminds me of a subie hatch in a weird honda way

 

Kind of has a Hyundai Tiburon vibe from the side too.. Hate to say it.

 

If that's the new Type-R, then I don't want it on US soil. Honda can keep the ugliness in Europe.

 

I think I'm going to take back the Tiburon comment. I'm definitely liking the new chassis more the longer I look at it. Check out the pictures of it on this link and maybe you'll feel different too.

Honda Confirms Type-R For U.S. At Civic Concept Debut: 2015 New York Auto Show

I think that this car is going to be awesome! I'm in.

Car and Driver also just confirmed that the next generation Civic Type R will Hit US shores.

 

the engineers and design team back then was focus on circuit racing for the ITR and other "R" models. It was geared towards a very specific genre. I think they spend so much time for R&D that they didn't make any money off the R models. The civic type R now is totally different. They should badge it Type S rather than Type R.

 

They should just call it civic si lol. The nsx-r and itr were the only homologation models in the Type R line up and were both built to meet fia requirements for group spec racing, the other R's were still built with racing in mind but eventually got more "consumer" like thus losing the tradition and racing spirit. I'm just not a fan of civics in general, but this new type r just looks too boy racer for my taste.

 

I was at the show yesterday, and the car shown IS NOT the Type-R. The USDM Type-R will come after the coupe, sedan, and new 5-door are launched. What that means is that the 'Ring record Euro CTR is not what we will be getting. What body style the USDM CTR will come in is anybody's guess, but the next-gen 5-door is probably the front runner for now.

The Euro CTR is just as hardcore if not more than previous R's. The only major compromise to the sporting intent of that car is the twist-beam suspension in the rear, and Honda seems to have found a way to make that handle well. I also wouldn't be surprised if Honda were losing money on the Euro CTR given that it is debuting so late in the life cycle of that body style. I wouldn't be surprised if they only sold it for 2 model years.

Not really. Each successive JDM Type-R after the DC2R moved the game forward and proved to be competent platforms for racing. The FD2R is every bit as hardcore as any of the Type-R's ever built, and the new Euro CTR should be more of the same.

 

As much as id love to see a CTR in america let alone own one. To me it just looks like a hyped up Si with R symbols. Id have to see the actual public release version to see how much "racing" inspired they got away with.

Id much rather see honda return a integra platform model Type R.

 

The DC5 and EP3 Type R were generally known as bad platforms, even for type r standards they failed to live up to the dc2 chassis in every way, the fd2 rekindled that spirit. Every euro R has arguably been trash with HORRIBLE suspension geometry. The looks of the car are horrible, I'm not a fan of hatch backs, even the ek9 was hideous, but this "thing" takes it to a new level of ugly.

 

I agree 100%, I don't know why people want hatchbacks, what made the ITR such a hit was it's classic coupe proportions, hatchbacks are just generally ugly.

 

Sure the DC5R and EP3R were the first generation of strut cars (which mostly had trouble with rear suspension geometry) but even then they were faster, stiffer cars than the DC2R.

Euro R's in the past haven't generally been at the true Type-R standard, with this current model being the exception. The twist beam rear suspension is a significant compromise, but the car has other trick engineering to make up for that. Looks are always subjective, but the '15 CTR is definitely the most polarizing in the looks department. But that car wasn't designed for the USDM anyway.

 

This car is a joke no matter where on the planet it is. We think we're getting another "Type R" but really it's just another dumbed down version of a JDM car that will never compare to the original EK9 and DC2. They can slap a Type R decal or sticker on any new car but in reality the Type R died 15 years ago, or when the DC5 and EP3 were discontinued. Once this hits the US I guarantee it will be mass produced and you'll see them everywhere driven by clowns with the rear wheels sticking out 5 feet from the quarter panel and no real understanding of Type R roots.

We should just keep this garbage out of the ITR forum! :smh:

 

Well, the Civic isn't even sold in Japan anymore so there is no JDM version.

Anyone who has driven the FD2R would disagree with your assessment. There's a reason that any journalist worth his salt that has driven that car has saying that Honda needs to give the US market that car. Jury's out on the new Euro CTR but given the tech and power it has, and the pace it can put down it's probably plenty worthy of the badge.
Chances are this car is going to be expensive enough that the stance crowd is not going to be buying it new. It's also not going to be made in large numbers anyway.

 

I think the people that aren't interested in the new Type R and saying the older gens are better are basing that on different qualities than just overall performance. The original Type R was a grass roots racer. Everything that wasn't needed for the track was left out, and only parts to increase its on track capabity were included in the build. ThE new R will no doubt be a performer, but it is also going to be fully featured with comfort aspects as well and also a lot more heft in the curb weight. Sure the new R will be more powerful and faster than the old, but what car made today isn't more powerful than its 90s counterpart? The driving experience itself is what will no doubt be lacking. I'm not saying the new R won't be an incredible performer because it seems like it most certainly will be, but with all of the electronic gadgets and computer controlled gizmos you lose that connection between driver and car. That alone is what makes me personally feel that the Type R of yesteryear and the Type R of today are two totally different types of performance vehicle.

 

lol.... some itr owners and their itr ego.....

 

I'm not even currently an ITR owner, that's just my honest opinion. My feelings also stand the same for many other performance vehicles. Take the new Boss302 Mustang. I'd LOVE to own and track a brand new one, and it's amazing vehicle. That being said, I'd still take a 69 model hands down over new, even though the new one would dominate it on track. Same goes for the Camaro SS and the like; new productions are excellent but will still never fill the same driving experience as the originals.

 

You could say the same of every JDM Type-R ever made. All of them are stripped-down, hardcore cars. Only reasons they've gotten heavier is because A. they're stiffer, B. crash and safety standards are stricter, C. the cars they were built from got bigger. Even then cars like the FD2R are every bit as engaging to drive as previous Type-R's but unfortunately only Japan and Malaysia ever got to buy them.

I don't know how you can say that with certainty without driving these cars back to back (as no one in the world has done as of yet). Maybe it will be duller by comparison, but it could also end up being more neutral handling and precise. The forthcoming CTR definitely won't have that high rpm wail that we've come to know and love but having a lot more thrust and a stiffer chassis may make the car much more fun to drive on a racetrack or a back road.

Yes but a lot of that is due to the fact that some of these cars have A LOT more power than they did before. This car will have around 100 more horsepower and twice the torque of the DC2R. At that performance level you need to do more to tame torque steer. Same with a lot of other performance cars. Maybe you don't need traction control when your E30 M3 is pushing 185 hp, but when the F82 M3 has 2.5 times the power it's not such a bad idea. After all, customers can't keep buying cars if they're dead.

And let's be real, most performance enthusiasts never take any professional driving instruction, and for those that do, many don't achieve an advanced level of skill. Even people who do get professional instruction ocassionally crash perfectly good cars due to steering wheel actuator malfunction. Ultimately most people are better off with driver aides (like the ABS that every Type-R has). Just as long as they're totally defeatable when you want to have total control.

 

Having more power doesn't automatically mean you need traction control and dynamic braking and all of those things. Yea they will make an inexperienced driver better, but the Type R is not and should not be for inexperienced drivers. A good driver can get a car around the track just fine without having a computer riding shotgun. I guess their whole point is just to have a track ready vehicle that can be pushed to the limits right from the dealer. The new R may very well fit that bill, but as far as it capturing the nostalgia factor of old school R owners and get them back into the market is where I think it has failed, because the new vehicles are similar to the old by name only. THe entire driving physics of the platform will be different, and yes I can say that without driving the new R. Why? BecauSe you can't completely hide half a ton of safety and driving comfort aids by simply adding more power. All of this may very well be irrelevant to the sales of the new R, but the fact remains that it will never be a replacement for the original R in any true Honda enthusiasts mind.

 

Also, how can you call an FD chassis R a "hardcore" car? It has a friggin touchscreen and auto climate control man. And we all know how real racers need a IVTEC light too lol. Plus from the gate, it's a SEDAN.

 

The driver aides don't really make someone better, they just lessen the impact of mistakes. I'm not saying a good driver needs them, but I am saying the vast majority of people who own performance cars don't have the skillset to drive those cars at the limit without incident, especially as powerful as modern performance cars have become. If you limited cars like the Type-R to 'experienced' drivers you wouldn't be able to even sell 2000 units a year.

Well, half a ton is 1000 lbs so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the new CTR won't weight 3500 lbs. Yes it will be heavier, but it'll also be stiffer by at least 100% (over DC2R and EK9R), with a wider track , longer wheelbase, more tire, more power, more torque, and better brakes.

What makes a 'true Honda enthusiast'? Someone who refuses to entertain the idea that maybe Honda's engineering has improved since 2001 and maybe they can still make an engaging Type-R? The DC2R has it's place in history but they stopped making that car almost 15 years ago. As great as that car was, the game has moved on from there.
So by that logic, a P1 GTR is not hardcore because it too has a touchscreen interface. I mean if we really want to start pushing the definiton of hardcore, no car built off a fwd econo car platform is really "hardcore".

 

Lol it's a HOMOLOGATION model car though, every other type r after the dc2 was not. They made chassis improvements to meet group N specifications. Every recent type r has just been a package really, there has been nothing " hardcore" about new type R's. To add more fuel here, the fd2 was also a SEDAN, not the low slung design of the dc2 ITR. Sorry, but every stance homo will have one of these, and honestly this should stay off the itr forums for good lol.