Hey guys,
This is my first time ever posting to a forum, so first off please excuse any problems with the posting. I am new to turbo systems but have done A lot of reading. After reading everything I can I have a couple of car model specific questions. This is my first honda that I am planning on upgrading. I had a 95 talon for many years, but since it was a daily driver, I was never able to get a turbo system on it. I was able to many other things to it, so I feel comfortable installing a turbo system on the accord. Now the car has 160, xxx miles on it and is VERY strong. I traded a bone stock 97 accord lx 4 door for the accord ex coupe. It came with a full bbm exhaust, lowering springs, and 17 inch wheels( I feel like I got a damn good deal).

Now, instead of buying a full kit, I have decided to piece together my kit.
I am a college student, and in September when my financial aid kicks in, I am planning on spending about 1500 to 2k on the system( preferably 1500). I will only get 5k and also am planning on getting a second car to be able to retire the ex for a while for upgrades.

First off, where would be the best place/places to get the parts for around the price? ( really don't want to even look on ebay.)

Second, another problem I am looking at is the down pipe. I live In Gainesville fl and haven't even been here to long and I have never welded before. Where is a good place to fab a down pipe around me , or what is the best way to make one myself as easy as possible? I did look on ebay for a down pipe and found a nice mani/dp combo here
http://m.ebay.com/itm/201044611986?nav=SEARCH

But the flange on it is 3 bolt and most turbos I found were 5 or 4 bolt could I just cut off that flange and have the right one welded on? Or will that one work some how? Also how much would a weld like that be if the right flange had to be welded on to it?

And I believe, lastly, for this exact model where is the best places to run the ic piping through the core support coming in and out of the intercooler. And what will need to be cut to get it to get the piping to fit. I am cool with losing ac and ps.

Also I don't have any friends that are into Hondas or boosting so anyone around me who would like to help out in any way let me know I will supply the beer. Lol

I will be checking back often so I will answer any questions as quickly as possible.

Thank you soo much and again please excuse any errors.

 

Don't see how you can do it for $1500. Injectors, ECU, and a tune will eat most of that up.

 

Thanks for the quick response. I am not planning on driving the car much at first maybe 50 miles a week at most. I was only planning on 5 lbs at first and was planning on getting the fuel pump, injectors, ecu, and tune. In January with another financial aid check. I know it needs to be done, but I've heard with low boost, it would be OK for a Lil while.

 

Shouldn't you be saving your financial aid and/or salary for school? Rather than blowing it on a a 18 year old car?

Coming from someone who blew money on an older Accord, save your money and buy something nicer after college. Even if you're "doing it for fun" you're better off getting something newer.

Added to that, do it right the first time or don't do it. People that want to spend as little as possible and skimp on parts or leave parts off are the ones that end up with issues.

 

Thank you for you input

 

for more power u could H22 swap. 200hp vs. 145hp. cant get much more than that on a n/a 4 cylinder engine.

look thru some old accord builds using turbo for ideas if u really want to turbo. watch some youtube.com videos. http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...ighty+car+mods has done many turbos on a variety of cars

 

Would I be able to do a full swap for around 1500? Also how would I tell if it obd1 or 2 it's a f22b1 96 accord ex coupe.

 

240hp F20C engine from the S2000

H22A swap is going to run him at least $2k for the parts required even if you cheap out and re-use as much as you can. He'll also need to downconvert to OBDI, get a 97+ Prelude Base power steering bracket, the P13 ECU, then to be on the safe side (and likely retain import place's warranty), he'll have to do -

- injectors
- spark plugs
- timing belt
- water pump
- belts
- fluids (tranny, motor, etc)
- clutch/flywheel
- missing sensors
- exhaust (H22 header is too short, F22 is too long IIRC)

When I did mine it was about $4k all said and done.

 

I found an h22 obd2 for 1050 plus 250 shipping here.

http://www.jdmtigerjapanese.com/h22a-obd-2-dohc-vtec-engine-only-97.html

Would that work? what else would I need for that swap?

 

I am not going to lie to you; these guys make it look/sound easy
http://importnut.net/h22a_swap.htm
http://www.superhonda.com/forum/f13/...accord-164067/

cb7's are 1990-93 accord coupes
http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=126672

just for kicks
http://hondaswap.com/threads/is-the-...say-yes.37343/

p.s. H22A engines are stock in Honda Preludes if u want to find one locally
'96+ cars would be OBD-2

 

There don't seem to be any by me. The ones online say 92-96. I have read in other posts that if it's the same year engine it's pretty much drop and drive. But I cant find a motor with the exact year I need. Would the engine labeled 92-96 be the same way?

 

Just did mine. Like the muffin man said, do it right the first time otherwise you arent going to like it. Then when **** breaks and you're broke...Just when you think you have all the necessary parts, there is something else, or another thing that isnt working correctly etc. Anytime you add positive mani pressure you have to comp with fuel/timing. You wont want to try running that motor without good tuning and proper components. But by then you might as well have swapped the pistons out for forged and changed the rods and added arp head studs minimum. Now we are talking 5k. But its done right and not so much a ticking time bomb. Ive seen the half *** stuff first hand and it blew up within a few days. We can all help you through the project but it will be costly. Yes you could probably get away with it cheap, but thats less likely. Swapping for the H will cost you quite a bit. Just listen to the people who have done the work and been through the projects instead of those pretending to know what its about. You will get an honest answer from the people dealing with it on their own cars haha

 

Thank you. I am leaning towards doing the swap, and am having my dad see how much his shop could get a 96 h22 engine. So I would get it at mechanic price. Since I have gotten the ideal I have search for a how to on a same year h22 to accord swap but can't seem to find one. But what I did find said a same year engine swap was fairly simple. What would it take to do a same year h22 swap?

Again thank you all.
Sorry I am a noob at honda engines.

 

the biggest cost is the engine obviously. Im guessing your car is a manual? That will simplify things. The ecu will need to be swapped for the correct one. I would keep searching for the h22 swap. Im sure there are some out there. Not something I have done but many have and there are writeups for it. The NA swap will be straight forward mostly but at some point youll still wonder about the old F that could have been boosted making more power....

 

all H22's would be drop and drive. the 2.2L engine is the same size either F22 or H22. all the mounts line up. main issues is ECU/wiring harness and A/C hoses and PS hoses. also the driveshafts u want to use Prelude driveshafts since they are stronger than Accord

'96 Preludes would have OBD-2 ECU's 1992-95 preludes would be OBD-1. those links are all "write-ups" for H22A swaps. they dont have many pics because the swap is pretty straight forward just follow closely and dont skip any steps. Many people have done H22 swaps, its very common

 

Well, that's the block only, no transmission, ECU, or wiring harness.

The harness you don't really need, you can reuse your Accord's provided you add a few additional wires (knock sensor is one of them).

You can't run the motor from your stock ECU, so you need that, and while the Accord transmission works, it doesn't pair up well with the H22 due to its gearing.

You still would need all the maintenance items I mentioned as who know what condition that motor would come in.

 

You're close, but not 100%.

1) They're not all 'drop and drive', I can't drop an OBDII H22A4 from a Prelude into a '95 Accord without modifications. I can't drop an H22A into a '96 Accord without modifications.

2) The motors are *not* the same size. The H22 in the CD chassis Accord actually sit tilted back and closer to the firewall than the F22. This prohibits the use of aftermarket intake manifolds as well as supercharger systems as they will come in contact with the driver's strut tower and the firewall.

3) All the mounts do not line up. The front, tranny, and rear mounts should be from the same year Accord, the driver's mount should be a Prelude's.

4) Not sure why you're saying the AC and PS hoses are an issue, I didn't even evacuate my AC or PS when I did the swap, just pushed them to the side. Everything bolts right up with the exception of the PS pump which requires a 97+ Prelude power steering bracket.

5) Strength of the driveshaft isn't an issue, making sure you use the same intermediate shaft as axles is though as the H22 and F22 are different. One is a 'female' shaft, the other is 'male'

 

i read where the PS and A/C hoses are different and dont line up for the swap. i also read about the driveshafts needing to be stronger. sorry my bad. please continue

 

H22 Easy button: find an already swapped H22 Accord for cheap on Craigslist. Swap that stuff into your shell/car. Two summers ago, I helped a buddy re-build an blown'd up H22 Accord, he had less than $2500 into it all-together. It wasn't pretty, but all the hard stuff was sorted- all we did was clean some stuff up, replace any broken/worn out parts throughout the chassis, get an H22 from HMO, maintenance items on the H22, and do a heart transplant. We didn't really tap into our connections to get it done cheaper, either. The car had an older Hondata S200 system on it(that had some haggard wiring), but all the essential bits and pieces were there. Had PS and A/C as well. H22 Swapped Accords are dirt cheap. For a DD'd car, I'd rather have the reliability of an already-powerful factory engine with proven bolt-ons than a semi-slapped together turbo car.

Want more useable torque than the H22 but want to keep the VTEC-alicious flavor? H23A VTEC. Even cheaper.

Also, since you're in Gainesville, look up Grassroots Motorsports! Great magazine, great forum, and very nice people run it all.

 

Thanks man will look into it for sure.

 

I won't say it's true for all years (like 90-93), but for the '96 Accord I swapped it into (F22B1) it wasn't an issue at all. The only catch is that power steering bracket that took me awhile to locate.

 

Would it be better to get an obd2 h22 with obd1 ecu and conversion harness. Or an obd1 h22 with ecu and distributer conversion harness.

 

You just need a 97-01 prelude power steering pump bracket and your accord pump will bolt up fine.

 

The 4th gen 90-93 accords can either use their original ps bracket and pump but it will only bolt up to the two right side bolts and you gotta use 7-9 washers as shims on the lower bolt. The left side bolt will be vacant and you must use a 445 size power steering belt. The 450 is slightly too long and the 440 is slightly too small. I wound up getting an ac delco which was one of the few companies that even made that size.

Or we can get a prelude pump and high pressure hose and reservoir from any 92-96 prelude but it must use the si vtec ps mounting bracket.

 

For tuning and other purposes down the road, my preference was OBDI motor in an OBDII car. However if your state/county/city scans the OBDII port for smog/emissions/whatever the car will fail as it renders the port useless.