All Motor / Naturally Aspirated No power adders

B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 10, 2014 | 01:54 PM
  #1  
yyyktk1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Default B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

Compression test 270 on each cylinder. Runs great! Smokes on acceleration. 1qt every 200 miles. 5-30 synthetic Whats wrong?

Dyno tuned at 220RWHP @8200RPM with 93 octane.

Engine b16a block
Eagle stroker crank 3.334 mm over stock
Hbeam rods
JE pistons 13.5.1 comp 82mm bore
Ported and polish b16a head
High tech header 4-2-1-
Exhaust is 2.5 stainless to a vibbrant muffler
Skunk2 valves+springs+retainers
Blox stage C cams 11.5 lift
Buddy club adjustable cam gears
N1 crank pulley
TypeR intake mainifold full ported and polish
Blox 70 mm throttle body
Eagle fuel rail with 550cc injectors
Reply
Old Jul 10, 2014 | 01:57 PM
  #2  
grumblemarc's Avatar
The Grumpiest
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 28,333
Likes: 24
From: Oak Ridge, TN, USA
Default Re: B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

Tolerances? Rings not seated properly?
Reply
Old Jul 10, 2014 | 02:01 PM
  #3  
NotARaCist's Avatar
I never narc'd on nobody!
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 9,537
Likes: 2
Default Re: B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

Even money on rings not being seated properly. How did you break in the engine?
Reply
Old Jul 10, 2014 | 03:32 PM
  #4  
yyyktk1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Default Re: B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

He told me he followed the correct break in procedure. Whatever that means. Lets assume the break in was done correctly. Any chance this is the valve stem seals/guides? Even with no smoke on start up? The oil catch can is always empty. I don't know if that means anything.
Reply
Old Jul 10, 2014 | 03:48 PM
  #5  
NotARaCist's Avatar
I never narc'd on nobody!
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 9,537
Likes: 2
Default Re: B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

Many people think they know correct break-in, most people are wrong. Put a teaspoon of oil in each cylinder and repeat the compression test.

It is remotely possible that it's a valve stem seal issue. Is the smoke at certain RPMs when accelerating, or just whenever you have your foot down on the gas?
Reply
Old Jul 10, 2014 | 04:24 PM
  #6  
MrMugottu's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
From: 808
Default Re: B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

Stop flooring it! Lol
Reply
Old Jul 10, 2014 | 07:28 PM
  #7  
yyyktk1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Default Re: B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

It smokes under light and heavy acceleration. I ran it up to 5000 rpm in 1st gear and let the engine break the motor to 1500 RPM. That creates vacuum. It smoked heavily.
Reply
Old Jul 18, 2014 | 07:20 AM
  #8  
yyyktk1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Default Re: B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

I highly doubt it is the oil control rings since the engine is so new. I am checking the valve stem seals and valve guides when I get time. Hopefully that is the issue.
Reply
Old Jul 18, 2014 | 07:26 AM
  #9  
grumblemarc's Avatar
The Grumpiest
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 28,333
Likes: 24
From: Oak Ridge, TN, USA
Default Re: B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

Are you telling me you refreshed the engine and head and failed to put in new valve stem seals?

I'm still leaning towards rings.
Reply
Old Jul 18, 2014 | 07:41 AM
  #10  
OMG's Avatar
OMG
B*a*n*n*e*d
 
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 337
Likes: 0
Default Re: B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

Leakdown test
Reply
Old Jul 18, 2014 | 06:55 PM
  #11  
blackeg's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 9,820
Likes: 12
From: schooling kids in ny, usa
Default Re: B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

how many miles were on the head before you built it up?

im finding more and more that a main issue of oil burning is worn oem valve guides. i mean they havent made b series motors in what 13 years now. the guides get sloppy and it eats up valve seals in short order.

depending on your bearing tolerances you could probably go with something thicker than 5w-30 synth...
Reply
Old Jul 20, 2014 | 07:38 AM
  #12  
yyyktk1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Default Re: B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

Not sure what head work was completed. The previous owner gave me all the receipts and there are none for the head work. Just receipts for the bottom end work. I will try 10-40w until I get time to pull the head off.

thanks guys
Reply
Old Jul 20, 2014 | 03:41 PM
  #13  
non-VTEC's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 6,212
Likes: 2
From: Toronto, Canada
Default Re: B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

for it to smoke that much during accel and consume that much oil it will most defiantly be a ring seal problem.
Reply
Old Jul 20, 2014 | 05:52 PM
  #14  
Runnerdown's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 3,537
Likes: 4
From: Albany, NY
Default Re: B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

Originally Posted by non-VTEC
for it to smoke that much during accel and consume that much oil it will most defiantly be a ring seal problem.
Reply
Old Jul 21, 2014 | 07:12 AM
  #15  
yyyktk1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Default Re: B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

I will find out soon enough. With the head off all will be revealed.
Reply
Old Jul 22, 2014 | 02:10 AM
  #16  
spAdam's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 9,710
Likes: 919
From: Boat on a Hill, CA
Default Re: B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

Why don't you do a leak down or a wet compression test
before you take it apart?

You're not being very scientific about this.
Reply
Old Jul 22, 2014 | 03:27 AM
  #17  
blackeg's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 9,820
Likes: 12
From: schooling kids in ny, usa
Default Re: B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

Originally Posted by spAdam

You're not being very scientific about this.
coming from a science teacher, no one is scientific anymore. I even have an old math textbook on my desk to help explain how to think logically....
Reply
Old Jul 22, 2014 | 05:37 AM
  #18  
spAdam's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 9,710
Likes: 919
From: Boat on a Hill, CA
Default Re: B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

Believe me I know.

OP, if you work through this methodically you'll find your answer and probably learn something to avoid having the same problem in the future.

Conversely, you can throw parts at it and maybe/maybe not get it running right. You will almost definitely spend more money doing it that way, starting with the perfectly good head gasket you're about to throw in the trash.

I also agree with the above posts though, there's a pretty good chance that the rings didn't get seated properly.
Reply
Old Jul 25, 2014 | 05:06 AM
  #19  
yyyktk1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Default Re: B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

Good point. I will not pull the head off. I can check the valve guides and the stem seals without pulling the head. If I see no play in the valves and the seals look good then I know major work needs to be done. Although I heard the seals may look 'good' but still be 'bad'. If that is the case then replacing those will need to happen.

Thanks for your input
Reply
Old Jul 25, 2014 | 07:34 AM
  #20  
spAdam's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 9,710
Likes: 919
From: Boat on a Hill, CA
Default Re: B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

You're welcome.

If you're going to pull the springs to check play in the stems and you're confident that the seals were not replaced when the head was apart, you might as well put new ones in at that point. They're pretty easy to do.
Reply
Old Jul 25, 2014 | 11:36 AM
  #21  
Dark_Teg's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,507
Likes: 2
From: Odessa, TX, USA
Default Re: B16A oil burn 4000 miles on motor

Its rings for sure. Valve seals leak on start up. My car smoked on acceleration, bad in VTEC, idled with no smoke and had perfect compression test. It was rings.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
J_Boost
Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000)
4
Mar 21, 2012 02:35 PM
CLICC916
Hybrid / Engine Swaps
2
Aug 5, 2001 11:22 PM




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:42 PM.