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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 04:27 AM
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So my whole goal with this setup is 500 WHP.
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81.5 mm bore (.020 overbore)
.002 off block / .002 off head
.004 PTW clearance
All mains .0016-.0020
All rods .0015-.0018
Top ring gaps .018
Bottom gap .024
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Integra GSR cams
Skunk2 adj cam gears
Supertech turbo dual valve springs
Supertech std intake valves
Supertech exhaust valves
Supertech titanium retainers / keepers

Hondata IM gasket
Block- B16A
Manley H-beam rods
CP 10.5:1 pistons
ACL race bearings ( used mostly standard sizes but rods 2 and 3 required ACL oversize bearings)
ARP 2000 rod bolts
ARP head studs
Cometic .030 head gasket
Baffled oil pan

Victor X IM
Skunk 2 70mm TB
Speedfactory 4Bar Map
1000cc Injectors
Walboro 255
AEM Fuel Rail
Stock FPR
3" IC Piping (ALL THE WAY AROUND)
Tial 50mm BOV
Mishimoto FMIC
BWR Ramhorn Mani
Tial 38mm MVS Wastegate
Garrett GT35R .63 A/R EX Housing
2.5" Up Pipe
P28 ECU on Neptune
STOCK GSR Transmission
Stage 4 CC

Is my goal unrealistic? Anything I should change/upgrade. First build ever. Any input appreciated. Plan to tune on E85
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 05:00 AM
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Looks like it could make 500, but I think you could see some good gains with some bigger cams. Everything else seems pretty solid.
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 05:49 AM
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500 is doable with that setup. I second the cam upgrade
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 06:18 AM
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With that large of a turbo and GSR camshafts, he's more than good. True, there are better camshafts, but what he's got will work just fine .
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 07:01 AM
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im surprised i get to be the first to point this out..


but the 38mm wastegate might be a problem.
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 07:08 AM
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might be a problem if he is trying to hold low boost pressure but looks like he is shooting for 500 whp which would take 18-20 psi...38mm gate is fine


Originally Posted by boostjunkie757
im surprised i get to be the first to point this out..


but the 38mm wastegate might be a problem.
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by boostjunkie757
im surprised i get to be the first to point this out..


but the 38mm wastegate might be a problem.
that's predicting a problem that hasn't happened yet. It all depends upon what boost pressure he's going to go with. In his case , about 18-20psi for 500whp, but yeah... could become an issue depending upon timing and boost control.
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TheShodan

that's predicting a problem that hasn't happened yet. It all depends upon what boost pressure he's going to go with. In his case , about 18-20psi for 500whp, but yeah... could become an issue depending upon timing and boost control.
I find it funny you mention timing with boost control now.

Ever since tepid pointed it out.
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by turbohatch96y7
I find it funny you mention timing with boost control now.

Ever since tepid pointed it out.
Umm sure..that's fine.. I never discounted the fact that retarded tuning control was is a factor.. but it was actually my good friend Tony L reminded me of that factor, in conjunction with proper boost control systems.
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 11:02 AM
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actually from the looks of it, it might be able to do it because of the compressor housing size..


i was looking at the ex numbers.
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by turbohatch96y7
I find it funny you mention timing with boost control now.

Ever since tepid pointed it out.
There are people way before me that pointed it out as well. Who cares?

This setup is fine for 500whp. I, personally, would leave the GSR cams. When you start getting into aggressive cams then you need to start thinking about a better block. Keep it simple and keep it fun. Aggressive cam ramp rates will only lead to more harm then good in a stock rocker setup. Just my opinion.
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by boostjunkie757
actually from the looks of it, it might be able to do it because of the compressor housing size..


i was looking at the ex numbers.
The housing doesn't have much to do with it as you think. Its the fact that its a turbocharger that has an airflow rate of over 61lbs/min at 2.0 pressure ratios.
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Originally Posted by tepid1
There are people way before me that pointed it out as well. Who cares?

This setup is fine for 500whp. I, personally, would leave the GSR cams. When you start getting into aggressive cams then you need to start thinking about a better block. Keep it simple and keep it fun. Aggressive cam ramp rates will only lead to more harm then good in a stock rocker setup. Just my opinion.
Pretty much.
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by tepid1

Keep it simple and keep it fun. Aggressive cam ramp rates will only lead to more harm then good in a stock rocker setup. Just my opinion.
I have always thought this as well. At 500whp you are making more HP than you can put down in a FWD platform as it is.
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TheShodan
The housing doesn't have much to do with it as you think. Its the fact that its a turbocharger that has an airflow rate of over 61lbs/min at 2.0 pressure ratios.
actually, the reason i was thinking it may be a problem was because i had to upgrade from a 38mm to a 44mm to prevent my t3/60-1 from spiking uncontrollably. i did a google search on a gt35r and a few of the first ones i looked at had larger compressor housings, so i figured it was possible it could produce more boost/hp while requiring less exhaust gas to drive the .63 side..


although i guess technically i am speculating mind you...seeing as how i dont have a gt35r...perhaps some people i used to run with would know from personal experience..
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 01:24 PM
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The area ratios for the stock GT35R haven't changed in almost 20 years. The look may seem different (some had ported shrouds, some were Precision covers, etc), but even if it was altered to have a T04E cover, in this instance, it would make no significant difference at such low speeds for the GT35R to make power.
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 01:24 PM
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looks fine to me. im lower compression than you but on an hx35 mine makes 481 on 20 pounds of boost with gsr cams. but i am on an ls bottom end rather than a b16.
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by boostjunkie757
actually, the reason i was thinking it may be a problem was because i had to upgrade from a 38mm to a 44mm to prevent my t3/60-1 from spiking uncontrollably. i did a google search on a gt35r and a few of the first ones i looked at had larger compressor housings, so i figured it was possible it could produce more boost/hp while requiring less exhaust gas to drive the .63 side..


although i guess technically i am speculating mind you...seeing as how i dont have a gt35r...perhaps some people i used to run with would know from personal experience..
You do realize that spiking and creep come from the turbine side rather than the compressor side of things, right?
And that a larger compressor housing doesn't mean that it will make more "boost/hp", right?

Your words.... not mine.
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 03:32 PM
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500 might be pushing the boundaries on stock sleeves.
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by NotARacist
500 might be pushing the boundaries on stock sleeves.
It's all in the tune. Managing cylinder pressure is the key to keeping it alive. ROC (rate of change(in cylinder pressure)) is the reason for failure.

This image says it all....

Last edited by tepid1; Jul 8, 2014 at 04:08 PM.
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by tepid1
It's all in the tune. Managing cylinder pressure is the key to keeping it alive.
while you are correct, id still feel like its great insurance when you are already spending many thousands of dollars.... just my .02

additionally, would you guys run that top ring at that, or open it up to around .020?

i would not run any rod bearing at or less than .0015, ive seen some get worn pretty good around there, maybe try and get them up to around .0017-.002, again just me
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Old Jul 8, 2014 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by blackeg
while you are correct, id still feel like its great insurance when you are already spending many thousands of dollars.... just my .02

additionally, would you guys run that top ring at that, or open it up to around .020?

i would not run any rod bearing at or less than .0015, ive seen some get worn pretty good around there, maybe try and get them up to around .0017-.002, again just me
Loose is fast.

It's a good rule of thumb.

Additionally, it really depends on the fuel being used as to how to gap the rings.
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Old Jul 9, 2014 | 07:10 AM
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Thanks for all the input. Is there a way to tag someone in a thread like on facebook? Haha. I know my tuner is on here and would like to hear his thoughts. Its Mikey from Profunction. Believe his username is MikeySpec
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Old Jul 9, 2014 | 07:29 AM
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Mike has been around for a while. I'm pretty sure he knows what's up.

No way to tag him.
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Originally Posted by tepid1
You do realize that spiking and creep come from the turbine side rather than the compressor side of things, right?
And that a larger compressor housing doesn't mean that it will make more "boost/hp", right?

Your words.... not mine.
you werent paying attention to the whole conversation.



dont be a dick dude.
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