Camber kit questions for auto-x, daily driving...
First off, I've been researching this for the past few weeks and am I still undecided on the type/brand of camber kit I want. I've got my results slimmed down a bit but still need some insight on a few questions.
Ingalls Brass Bushing, Pivot Mount Type
3566 - $173.85 per side - Range of -.75° to +1°
3567 - $172.44 per side - Range of +1.25° to +3°
Downfalls - Price, ease/range of adjustment...but I don't mind the noise/vibration.
1) Is this overkill for a daily-driver/auto-xer?
2) Does anyone use these or something similar?
3) I think I would want the 3566 kit. Ride height lowered about 2" =~ -2° of camber change. This would allow me to dial in -1° for the street and up to -2.75° for auto-x. Does this sound like a good idea?
4) How is the ease of adjustment on these pivot mount types?
http://www.ingallseng.com/cars/acura.html
Ingalls Polyurethane Bushing, Pivot Mount Type
3570 - $96.69 per side - Range of -.75° to +1°
3572 - $113.58 per side - Range of +.75° to +3°
Downfalls - Ease/range of adjustment...I don't mind greasing every 3-6 months.
http://www.ingallseng.com/cars/acura.html
KMAC Adjustable Ball Joint Type
331116 - $365.00 per pair? - Range of ???
Downfalls - Expensive, require downtime or extra A-arms.
5) Does anyone know the adjusment range of these?
6) Does anyone know if this kit is priced $365 per pair or $365 per side?
7) Does anyone have a link to KMAC products for Acuras, besides Truechoice?
https://secure.vbcomm.net/store/detail.asp?part=331116
Skunk2 Adjustable A-Arm
SK0018 - $220.00 per pair - Range of +3° to -3°???
8) Has anyone tried fitting these to a 90-93 chassis?
9) Is the adjustment range +3° to -3°?
Downfalls - I don't think it will fit inside the 90-93 Integra wheel wells. May change suspension geometry as it was not designed for this chassis.
http://www.optauto.com/webstore/prod...k=yes&dept=267
Lastly, I am in SM for auto-crossing so rules aren't MUCH of a concern. Any help on these matters is greatly appreciated.
[Modified by mojoGSR92, 3:08 PM 10/30/2002]
Ingalls Brass Bushing, Pivot Mount Type
3566 - $173.85 per side - Range of -.75° to +1°
3567 - $172.44 per side - Range of +1.25° to +3°
Downfalls - Price, ease/range of adjustment...but I don't mind the noise/vibration.
1) Is this overkill for a daily-driver/auto-xer?
2) Does anyone use these or something similar?
3) I think I would want the 3566 kit. Ride height lowered about 2" =~ -2° of camber change. This would allow me to dial in -1° for the street and up to -2.75° for auto-x. Does this sound like a good idea?
4) How is the ease of adjustment on these pivot mount types?
http://www.ingallseng.com/cars/acura.html
Ingalls Polyurethane Bushing, Pivot Mount Type
3570 - $96.69 per side - Range of -.75° to +1°
3572 - $113.58 per side - Range of +.75° to +3°
Downfalls - Ease/range of adjustment...I don't mind greasing every 3-6 months.
http://www.ingallseng.com/cars/acura.html
KMAC Adjustable Ball Joint Type
331116 - $365.00 per pair? - Range of ???
Downfalls - Expensive, require downtime or extra A-arms.
5) Does anyone know the adjusment range of these?
6) Does anyone know if this kit is priced $365 per pair or $365 per side?
7) Does anyone have a link to KMAC products for Acuras, besides Truechoice?
https://secure.vbcomm.net/store/detail.asp?part=331116
Skunk2 Adjustable A-Arm
SK0018 - $220.00 per pair - Range of +3° to -3°???
8) Has anyone tried fitting these to a 90-93 chassis?
9) Is the adjustment range +3° to -3°?
Downfalls - I don't think it will fit inside the 90-93 Integra wheel wells. May change suspension geometry as it was not designed for this chassis.
http://www.optauto.com/webstore/prod...k=yes&dept=267
Lastly, I am in SM for auto-crossing so rules aren't MUCH of a concern. Any help on these matters is greatly appreciated.
[Modified by mojoGSR92, 3:08 PM 10/30/2002]
IMO: Skunk2 HC and many road racers use these
If you have a honda and its not the new RSX then the upper strut bearing wont help. Those dont work on the double a arms, only mcpherson strut.
If you have a honda and its not the new RSX then the upper strut bearing wont help. Those dont work on the double a arms, only mcpherson strut.
IMO: Skunk2 HC and many road racers use these
If you have a honda and its not the new RSX then the upper strut bearing wont help. Those dont work on the double a arms, only mcpherson strut.
If you have a honda and its not the new RSX then the upper strut bearing wont help. Those dont work on the double a arms, only mcpherson strut.
Has anyone fitted these on a 90-93 Integra? I'd rather not buy them, just to find that I have to sell them off to someone else because they won't fit within the confines of the wheel wells.
If I remember correctly Vracer111 and Bulldog_RS20 have 90-93 Integras, among others on this board.
[Modified by mojoGSR92, 1:23 PM 10/31/2002]
[Modified by mojoGSR92, 1:23 PM 10/31/2002]
Allow me to enter this.
If you are planning on using the car for SCCA Improved Touring-your choices will be very limited. You saythe car is a daily driver/autox car, so we can look at most of the parts you are showing here.
Since we assume the daily/autox the front anchor bolts should NOT be either solid brass or polyurethane bushings. Trust me and Ingalls when the book says these are race only parts. The rubber version works great on my Prelude. If you elect to go with the upper control arms, I will suggest that they be rubber bushed as well. The Civic has the slide plate modified arms with Honda ball joints and they have given no trouble for 25000 miles of road and track use.
Now for the rear of the car. I am using the Ingalls adjustable arms and they are fine. They happen to have poly bushings, but the rubber would have done as well-downside is they are noisy.
The point is that you need to find the parts that have the correct range of adjustment based on your alignment printout. The brands I prefer are Ingalls and Specialty Products, plus Progress for the CRX. You will find everything you need from these companies and may even find yourself buying from all of them. For example the Prelude has Specialty up front/Ingalls rear, Civic is mostly Ingalls and the CRX will be Specialty and Progress-because of the IT rules.
Do not build the suspension so stiff with polyurethane that the car will not rotate properly. You have a street car and you need to deal with that first and add from the rear to the front (it is FWD) to reduce understeer. A great mod-cheap too-is poly bushings and end links for the sway bars.
Good luck
If you are planning on using the car for SCCA Improved Touring-your choices will be very limited. You saythe car is a daily driver/autox car, so we can look at most of the parts you are showing here.
Since we assume the daily/autox the front anchor bolts should NOT be either solid brass or polyurethane bushings. Trust me and Ingalls when the book says these are race only parts. The rubber version works great on my Prelude. If you elect to go with the upper control arms, I will suggest that they be rubber bushed as well. The Civic has the slide plate modified arms with Honda ball joints and they have given no trouble for 25000 miles of road and track use.
Now for the rear of the car. I am using the Ingalls adjustable arms and they are fine. They happen to have poly bushings, but the rubber would have done as well-downside is they are noisy.
The point is that you need to find the parts that have the correct range of adjustment based on your alignment printout. The brands I prefer are Ingalls and Specialty Products, plus Progress for the CRX. You will find everything you need from these companies and may even find yourself buying from all of them. For example the Prelude has Specialty up front/Ingalls rear, Civic is mostly Ingalls and the CRX will be Specialty and Progress-because of the IT rules.
Do not build the suspension so stiff with polyurethane that the car will not rotate properly. You have a street car and you need to deal with that first and add from the rear to the front (it is FWD) to reduce understeer. A great mod-cheap too-is poly bushings and end links for the sway bars.
Good luck
Mojo,
Those Skunk2 control arms look like there for the EF chassis (the bushing resides on the anchor bolt, not the control arm). If you look at Skunk2's web page, they only sell the ones for the EG/EK (The bushing is part of the control arm).
Are these arms pictured still available? They sure look like the correct ones for a 2G Integera and the EF Civic/CRX.
Those Skunk2 control arms look like there for the EF chassis (the bushing resides on the anchor bolt, not the control arm). If you look at Skunk2's web page, they only sell the ones for the EG/EK (The bushing is part of the control arm).
Are these arms pictured still available? They sure look like the correct ones for a 2G Integera and the EF Civic/CRX.
"Available for 92-up Honda Civics and 94-up Acura Integras."
They aren't designed for the EF/DA. BTW, the DA chassis is based off of the EF chassis so a lot of the parts are interchangeable. I know of no adustable upper A-arms like the ones featured in the picture above.
~Jonna, who is getting tempted at just buying the Skunk2 arms to be the guinea pig. Hell, maybe they'll work.
They aren't designed for the EF/DA. BTW, the DA chassis is based off of the EF chassis so a lot of the parts are interchangeable. I know of no adustable upper A-arms like the ones featured in the picture above.
~Jonna, who is getting tempted at just buying the Skunk2 arms to be the guinea pig. Hell, maybe they'll work.
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