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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 07:51 PM
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Can I take the 5-lug hubs and brakes from a 1998 Honda Accord and, and put them on my 1996 Honda Accord and, if so how difficult would it be? Could really use some input. Thanks and have a good day. And the brakes from the 1998 are disk all the way around if that matters lol.

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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 08:00 PM
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The 97 is 4 lug also, hence the parts group for 94-97 with the exception of differences between the lx and ex like interior and bumper, and 94-95 tail lights vs 96-97 tail lights
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 08:03 PM
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You could however use the calipers/rotors/pads from a ce6 (v6 accord) or if you're already doing all that effort skip right to the dual piston calipers from a legend...still doesn't get you to 5 lug but it's certainly an upgrade
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 08:09 PM
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http://www.accordinglydone.com/forum...ead.php?t=1292
Right in the FAQ thread, with the conversion
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 08:55 PM
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Just food for thought with the caliper swap I believe it changes the position of the caliper from front to rear or swapped from the oem stand point. Not a great thing, it does work, but...you're messing with engineering variables
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Old Apr 16, 2014 | 04:16 AM
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Really? I was considering doing the swap on my ce6 soon, but i was under the impression you used your stock steering knuckle and just changed the caliper, mounting bracket, and pads (i already have v6 rotors) ....with the stock knuckle i dont understand how the positioning changes? Not arguing or saying youre wrong, just want to understand myself
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Old Apr 16, 2014 | 04:16 AM
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The front of a 98 might work if you change the knuckles as well. Never really tried that one. The rear won't interchange. You will need parts from a Prelude.
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Old Apr 16, 2014 | 04:24 AM
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I couldve swore the original post asked about using 97 parts on a 96, now is says 98...maybe im losing it lol
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Old Apr 16, 2014 | 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Wilbur21
Can I take the 5-lug hubs and brakes from a 1997 Honda Accord and, and put them on my 1996 Honda Accord and, if so how difficult would it be? Could really use some input.
97 Accords did not have 5 lugs, they were 4 lug, but if someone did a conversion on a '97 then the easiest thing do to would be to take the knuckles front and rear and put them on your car.
If the '97 you are looking at does not share the same body style as your '96 then it is not a '97.

If your car is a disc/drum and the donor car is disc/disc there will be a few more parts needed from the '97, such as parking brake cables and some small hardware.
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Just food for thought with the caliper swap I believe it changes the position of the caliper from front to rear or swapped from the oem stand point. Not a great thing, it does work, but...you're messing with engineering variables
Not in the way you may be thinking.
Calipers are located where they are on a given vehicle due to space limitations, and where the calipers can work without worry of damage or interfering with steering or suspension components.

RWD cars usually have the front calipers mounted towards the rear as the drivetrain limits where the steering components can be, thus the calipers are usually on the opposite side of where the steering arm is.
FWD cars do not have an engine/transmission passing under the firewall/floorpan. Thus the steering gear can be mounted directly to the firewall, and the calipers on the front knuckles will be mounted forward the wheel centerline as the steering arm will be on the rear of the knuckle.

The same space limitations are applied to the rear suspension. On '90-97 Accords there is a large trailing arm that locates the rear knuckle fore/aft, which is forward of the rear wheel centerline. With no room there the caliper is placed rearward of the rear wheel centerline where there is plenty of room and no concerns of suspension interference.

It comes down to packaging.

There isn't an up/down force applied to the suspension from the caliper placement. Rotors spin, they rotate. When the caliper clamps the rotor, rotational force(torque) is being applied to the spindle from the spinning rotor to the caliper which is mounted stiffly to the knuckle. This force will try and make the knuckle rotate in the direction of the wheel. It will try to twist the knuckle off the car.
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Old Apr 16, 2014 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by MAD_MIKE
97 Accords did not have 5 lugs, they were 4 lug, but if someone did a conversion on a '97 then the easiest thing do to would be to take the knuckles front and rear and put them on your car.
If the '97 you are looking at does not share the same body style as your '96 then it is not a '97.

If your car is a disc/drum and the donor car is disc/disc there will be a few more parts needed from the '97, such as parking brake cables and some small hardware.

Not in the way you may be thinking.
Calipers are located where they are on a given vehicle due to space limitations, and where the calipers can work without worry of damage or interfering with steering or suspension components.

RWD cars usually have the front calipers mounted towards the rear as the drivetrain limits where the steering components can be, thus the calipers are usually on the opposite side of where the steering arm is.
FWD cars do not have an engine/transmission passing under the firewall/floorpan. Thus the steering gear can be mounted directly to the firewall, and the calipers on the front knuckles will be mounted forward the wheel centerline as the steering arm will be on the rear of the knuckle.

The same space limitations are applied to the rear suspension. On '90-97 Accords there is a large trailing arm that locates the rear knuckle fore/aft, which is forward of the rear wheel centerline. With no room there the caliper is placed rearward of the rear wheel centerline where there is plenty of room and no concerns of suspension interference.

It comes down to packaging.

There isn't an up/down force applied to the suspension from the caliper placement. Rotors spin, they rotate. When the caliper clamps the rotor, rotational force(torque) is being applied to the spindle from the spinning rotor to the caliper which is mounted stiffly to the knuckle. This force will try and make the knuckle rotate in the direction of the wheel. It will try to twist the knuckle off the car.
Sounds like it works either way then mad mike? I just wasn't sure if the knuckle and suspension were designed specifically for front or rear placement of the caliper. Good info tho^ thanks!
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Old Apr 16, 2014 | 01:16 PM
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easiest thing you can do is get an 1st gen odyssey front knuckle with calipers and 5 gen prelude rear hubs/rotors & reuse pads. that was my setup.
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Old Apr 16, 2014 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by accordturb96
Sounds like it works either way then mad mike?
Yup. From a braking standpoint it doesn't matter where the caliper is clocked.
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Old Apr 17, 2014 | 03:58 AM
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The dual piston Legend and NSX calipers do have different sized pistons front and rear. People switch the Legend between left and right to get the bleeder screw at the top when installed. This changes the orientation of the different sized pistons. Some say it matters, some say it doesn't. The NSX calipers install in the factory orientation but they cost a lot more.
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Old Apr 17, 2014 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by spoon3rdgen
easiest thing you can do is get an 1st gen odyssey front knuckle with calipers and 5 gen prelude rear hubs/rotors & reuse pads. that was my setup.
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Old Apr 17, 2014 | 07:25 PM
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Some say it matters, some say it doesn't.
Staggered caliper pistons are for more uniform pad grip. This will reduce/remove any taper on a longer pad. Larger piston should be towards the rear of the pad to maintain a more uniform clamp load.

If the Legend calipers need to be flipped to allow proper brake bleeding then what you may want to do to for better brake performance is to flip the caliper right side up when bleeding, then flip it upside down for installation and correct staggering. Otherwise you are just posing with flipped, incorrectly installed, staggered calipers.
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