On strut suspensions?

Yeah, I know. I'm a slacker.
I just don't really autocross anymore, so I haven't bought a rule book in a couple of years.

Scott, who is giving fair warning to Atlanta region STS folks.
It's red... It's fast... and the letters "ACR" are involved .

 

Yes, camber plates are legal on MacPherson Strut suspensions. (you'll need them on certain cars... especially ones that have ACR as part of their moniker)

--kC

 

On vehicles with strut-type suspensions, adjustable camber plates may be installed at the top of the strut, and the original upper mounting holes may be slotted. The drilling of holes in order to perform the installation is permitted. The center clearance hole may not be modified. Any type of bearing or bushing may be used in the adjustable camber plate attachment to the strut. The installation may incorporate an alternate upper spring perch/seat and/or mounting block (bearing mount). Any ride height change resulting from installation of camber plates is allowed. Caster changes resulting from the use of camber places are permitted

Yes

 

Is this renee's car? She getting crazy next year in STS?

 

I don't think we need much warning. There is already plenty of competition in the atlanta region for STS. I just have to keep getting faster and faster just to stay up with everybody. are you going to be driving it in the november event?


[Modified by ryan12321, 1:02 PM 10/29/2002]

 

Don't make me bring my red, fast car with the letters "SE-R" involved to Atlanta to smack her around. You're only 3 hours away from me now.

 

come to the event on nov. 17th. I'd just like to see how i'll do against you guys. Its fun running against new competition.

 

Not planning to be there in November. Other plans.

It's Renee's car. The plan is to make it an STS/HPDE car on a very tight budget. We're discovering stuff for Neons is much cheaper than stuff for Hondas. We're going to try to do it with mostly (if not all) used and home fabricated stuff. It is an ACR, so it doesn't take much to make it quick.

Should be fun. Just as a test I drove it a couple of months ago in Atlanta. It was bone stock, on 195/60/14 Azenis, and had a crimp that was choking off the exhaust just behind the cat (don't ask). I still managed to finish within 2 seconds (IIRC) of the STS winner.

 

I guess that means you're closer to Atlanta than Dinwiddie... doh. Otherwise I'd say why travel all the distance, we have "that Neon" up here that can show you his Altezza tails quite well heheheheh.

 

Well, after my "deer" incident 2 weekends ago: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=311325

I'm done for the year. But next year, it may be on. I'm telling you, the SE-R is the most underrated, underappreciated car in STS. Legal LSD ownz (even if it is just a viscous)

 

Well then, it looks the competition will take a turn for the better in the Atlanta region STS class next year. Whether it is you and/or Renee campaigning in the ACR (which is a very worthy and competitive STS ride), this simply means the rest of us will need to "gird our loins" to enjoy any level of success. As much as this is sobering news (having one or two more nationally competitive drivers join the class in a car that makes our late model Civic Si's and Integras look like heavy weights), it'll give us AR STS regulars a great opportunity to see how we all stack up. And just think about all the smack talking fodder this will provide.

Casey, who knows that Renee let's her driving do ALL the talking...

 

Bah.
She's overrated. All she did was win open CSP every time she showed up this year. Big deal .

Don't worry about the Neon too much this year. It will be mostly stock on sub-optimum sized rubber. It's a building year.

Scott, who expects to get beaten by his girlfriend fairly often.

 

I hope you have an extra set of motor mounts sitting around... and an extra head gasket... and a couple of extra wheel bearings... maybe a spare engine...

Andy

 

3 spare motor mounts.
Head gasket just replaced.
Wheel bearings have been replaced, but they lasted longer than the ones in my Integra.

Engine has 125K on it and still pulls like a Clydesdale. Uses no oil. Compression is good.
This from a car that cost $11K brand new in 1998 with Konis from the factory. Can't beat that with a stick.


[Modified by Catch 22, 12:47 PM 10/30/2002]

 

This is funny

 

Scott,
Bring it.
STS next year will involve something else red, smaller, fast, and torsion bar'd if I can get the drum brakes installed and keep it from getting protested.
And if it does, oh well. I have something Blue, dialed in, with the letters "MP3" involved for an answer to that.
Heh. Next year will be fun.

 

Alright, enough already! This is getting out of hand -- first Renee, possibly Scott on occasion when it doesn't conflict w/ ECHC events, then Chris, and even Barry Saney is contemplating a move to STS next year. And these are only the ones we currently know about; there could be others... Not to mention that Chris and Barry have the specific "go fastest" Civic platforms for STS (look at the Solo II national champs in STS for the last two years). Sonofabitch! It's not even 2003 yet and next year is already shaping up to be one ***** fugger of a year.

As Chris said, "Bring it!" Looks like it'll be up to me to carry the badge of honor for GSR owners to show we can be a top contender. This should be a lot of fun...

 

So... Chris,
You're going to put drum brakes AND what in it so it will be legal for STS?

 

Well, good. It sounds like you've got a Wednesday car.

Counterpoint: Peru Tour 2002, brand new ACR (1200 miles). 2nd run coming screaming into the finish with HUGE plumes of white smoke pouring out the exhaust (so much so they had to red-flag the next car for visibility).

We're thinking... uh,oh, blown head gasket. ACR goes trotting out for its 3rd run, no problems, no smoke.

I ask my co-driver, a reformed Neon driver: what the hell?

His response: "The headgasket probably just shifted a little. They do that."

Andy - who, if he isn't still broke, will be ALSO be moving to STS in the spring.

 

I figure a boat anchor, or something similar to help even things up.


The MP3 is really quite nice on an autocross course if all else fails. At least THAT car has A/C.


[Modified by madhatter, 3:13 PM 10/30/2002]

 

You certainly take your chances with a Neon when it comes to reliability. They didn't get the nickname "disposable dodge" for nuthin'.

But Renee's has been a great one. No problems beyond what you'd get from any car that has seen countless autocrosses, multiple track days, and 125K miles.
It's also been wrecked badly twice (neither her fault, but that doesn't matter to the poor car).
So, taking all that into consideration, it's actually been a fantastic car.
I tried to get her to sell it and buy a CRX, but she refuses to part with it. I can't say I really blame her.

Oh... the brakes. Wonderful. 10 times better than my GSR even with the stock ACR pads (which are heavy duty Bendix pieces that last 40K miles AND work on the track). My biggest problem autocrossing it with the Azenis was that I kept locking them up. Much better brakes than I was accustomed to + Worse tires than I was accustomed to = Lots and Lots of threshold lockups.