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Old Jan 21, 2014 | 10:43 PM
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[LEFT]Hey guys don't hate me for this post i'm new and i tried doing research about d vs b series but i haven't found a really clear answer to this question in precise.

i have a d16y7 in my civic (that is pretty stock except it has some aftermarket headers and an intake and it has 140k milage got it like that.)
i want to just get to 250 hp for now and be a little faster than an average car . would it be cheaper to buy a b series engine or stick with this engine and build it to 250 hp.
i'm just wondering because i'm a highschool kid with no job trying to make the best of my budget.
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Old Jan 21, 2014 | 10:56 PM
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A Y7 can make 250, but it'll take boost and some forged internals. Since you're a highschool kid, I'm going to assume you don't know what quick actually feels like. A properly sized turbo (T28, Disco Potato, or 15G) can easily and safely get you to 200 on a good tune. That, plus some good suspension, and you'll be able to run circles around people.

Without a turbo, you would need a fairly build B swap, which is going to take your budget and **** it straight up the ***.
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Old Jan 21, 2014 | 11:01 PM
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a turbo D will require bottom end work but would probably be cheaper then a b-series at 250. depending on how much you can do your self more potential later on with the b-series, and nothing beats the fun of 250whp N/A. budget op ?

I've got about 3.5K into my engine, it pushed 247/163 tuned on Hondata.


edit: no job...yah not happening lol just keep the car running right
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Old Jan 21, 2014 | 11:04 PM
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Have you read this:
https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/guide-answer-common-question-just-bought-civic-how-do-i-make-faster-2915974/
and looked through the rest of the FAQ?

In short, for your money, a D isn't going to do it.
Without a turbo, you would need a fairly build B swap, which is going to take your budget and **** it straight up the ***.
A simple B swap won't be 250 hp, but should be able to get you enough performance to be happy. B20B/Z is pretty affordable for a swap and a good starting point if you want to build.
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 03:23 AM
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What is your budget?
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 04:43 AM
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Default Re: D or B series for 250hp

If money is tight, the only real option is a turbo D series. I would do a mini-me conversion (vtec head) and boost it using a simple turbo setup. Goals need to be limited to ~220-240whp if you intend on keeping the stock D series bottom end from eating itself.
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 10:10 AM
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Default Re: D or B series for 250hp

Originally Posted by NotARacist
A Y7 can make 250, but it'll take boost and some forged internals. Since you're a highschool kid, I'm going to assume you don't know what quick actually feels like. A properly sized turbo (T28, Disco Potato, or 15G) can easily and safely get you to 200 on a good tune. That, plus some good suspension, and you'll be able to run circles around people.

Without a turbo, you would need a fairly build B swap, which is going to take your budget and **** it straight up the ***.
i wouldn't mind buying turbo if it'll be cheaper then buying a whole b series swap and boosting that . I've been trying to find b series engines but in hawaii, where i live i can't seem to find any that is affordable and worth buying . so if i wanted one i would have to buy from someone from mainland and shipping is EXPENSIVE to hawaii.
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by B_Swapped93
a turbo D will require bottom end work but would probably be cheaper then a b-series at 250. depending on how much you can do your self more potential later on with the b-series, and nothing beats the fun of 250whp N/A. budget op ?

I've got about 3.5K into my engine, it pushed 247/163 tuned on Hondata.


edit: no job...yah not happening lol just keep the car running right
i'm trying my best to get a job but i know it would be some minimum wage part time job . but yeah i always thought building a d would be fun and a learning experience for me. i also got my dad , a mechanic for help!
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 10:20 AM
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Default Re: D or B series for 250hp

Originally Posted by 78F350
Have you read this:
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2915974
and looked through the rest of the FAQ?

In short, for your money, a D isn't going to do it.

A simple B swap won't be 250 hp, but should be able to get you enough performance to be happy. B20B/Z is pretty affordable for a swap and a good starting point if you want to build.
thanks for that thread kinda helped. i'll go look into it after school. skimmed through it and seemed to help me on what i should do !
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 10:21 AM
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Start collecting turbo parts, yah I guess things are hard to find out there for cheap.
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 10:26 AM
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Default Re: D or B series for 250hp

My budget... Well i'll just say it's a "poor mans" budget .
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 10:32 AM
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yeah , that's kind of what i want. my cars hella slow and i just wanna be able to keep up with traffic or if anything be able to put gas and go faster than the average car.
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