Just checking in because I haven't seen any talk (unless I missed it). Did the racers get together and propose new rules or any changes in the all motor class for next season? or is everything staying status quo?

Just checking since I did hear at the end of last season there was some talk about changing up the class a bit.

And I guess NHRA also was a no show for the imports, right? it was all bad rumors?

thanks.

 

There may be provisions allowing smaller K engines at a lower weight to get car count up, and possibly lower weights for other stuff, but I don't know if it is a reality. There was small talk about it and I hope it has been pushed forward. It would be a great addition to the rules though.

The NHRA "sanction" thing is still a possibility, it was just very early on to talk about before it was approved. Hopefully...we will be racing pro stock at new venues around the country against some rotaries and VWs...and maybe some old fwd faces from back in the day

 

Hope the talk about lowering the weights for certain engines are true!!!

 

that would be a nice thing to push forward, weight by displacement similar to what they used to have in the past - most inspectors have access to a displacement machine so no need to pull off head etc. I'm pretty sure people who want to compete in this class would appreciate some lower weights if they're building a smaller stroked (K-series) motor. The metric and statistics definitely shows that the guys who went with the bigger 106 motor are now deep in the 9's...the guys with the lil 99mm motors could now get a chance to compete and the class can actually get filled if that were the case.

Would be a nice thing to see happen for next year - it'll definitely mitigate from the 4 car fields that we saw last season.

 

agreed but dont forget about us H series guys haha ;-)

 

They can't check all the cars for displacement. It has to be somewhat of an honor system and then check top running cars if there is any question. When is the last time ANY car has been pumped, ever?

 

yup totally agree. the honor amongst racers code has been long standing and will apply. Dont think they've ever had to check it.

blade, the H-series has a good weight break already do you think that needs to be reduced even further? if so then now is the time to speak up...

I think the B-series weight seems pretty decent too, unless the b-series all motor people dont feel so (in which case they should speak up now too).

 

-200# for a VW badge might bring me out of retirement. In for any updates.

 

rule sounds good in theory but testing motors seems like a lot of work and not testing them makes the rule useless. everyone will cut the oem crank to 102 and be making 390+

 

Me personally and a few other h series guys believe the weight should be cut to 1900. The ks advantage over the h is just too much to keep up. Ks have a taller deck, better valve angle, better flowing head just to name a few advantages they have that hs just cant meet

 

There is/are talks about doing 99mm stroke K series at a lower weight to get some of those guys in the class. I personally think a 99mm at the weight proposed can got 10.0 to 10.1 with the right setup.

As for lowering the other class weights I haven't heard anything about this, but it could be up for discussion.

Is it race season yet.

Marc P

 

hmmm, my $0.02 is that it would be nice to stay away from the "theory" of the 99mm stroker motors will run competitive times with the "right setup" ...lets face it, we're trying to bring more people to the class so since no one is running 9's with a 99 crank or with even a cut 99 to 102 crank, that will not really bring competitors to the class.

Everyone that had 99, 102, 103 and even 105mm motors are going with 106 cranks, what would now be nice is to bring people to the class who have 99 motors already running and want to compete...so by giving them a weight break would at least give them a chance to compete.

I'm pretty sure that was one of the main factors that people just did not want to come run in the class after seeing some of the big motor 106 guys running in the high 9s and low 10s range would intimidate them...a wieght break for them is at least a start to try and attract them to the class is all i'm saying.

Of course after they've setup their car chassis to efficiently make their 99mm motors run in the 9's then the weight rules can be revisited, but first try to get them to the class. just saying...

 

So what about b series? Doesn't make sense to have them the same the H is superior in every way. You just need to man up and stuff a big crank in that thing what length rod will you have with a 103 crank?

 

i think whatever numerical value the h series is lowered by the b series should also be lowered by.

 

Aren't the B series cars already at 1900 lbs ?

 

you know what your right, i think whatever numerical value the h series is lowered by the b series should also be lowered by.

 

I just heard that there were talks of the 99@1900 and suggested maybe dropping the B and H weights until people were running fast. I have nothing to do with it...talk to youe class representative If this would help you, get in touch with someone and let them now you will show up and race if the change is made.

The idea isn't to get the weights right for what an engine is capable of...the idea is to grab a handful of guys that already have cars up and running and could show up tomorrow and race.

There are a TON of 99mm stroke cars available for this. Its easy to manage...you don't pump anyone until they go real fast. If they are running a bigger motor and saying they are a 99 but they are in the back of the field who cares. Right now I can think of 3 or 4 cars around 1900 with 99mm strokes that are in the 10.0-10.3 range, but there are hundreds of eligible cars all around the country. If they all of the sudden go fast, you do a displacement check. If one of the big racers currently near the top of the class says they are dropping weight and motor size, then they go fast, you pump them. You will barely be pumping any cars, if any at all.

The current top runners in the class are the only guys putting the effort in to maximize output from these engines. If the B and H guys were, then the weights are where they need to be right now...but where are all the cars? That's the problem.

Cody you can fit a 106x90, the same size valve, and a big cam just like the K Just do it

 

easy solution to this, make them street cars again....do you drive around with a 1.5 gal fuel cell or a narrowed rear end around town? some might, but most won't. just saying...other stuff that can be done...but who am I

 

113 stroke, small bore ftw ;-)

 

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Plenty of cars going fast without these features you mentioned. I do agree the class has gotten out of hand and that is why we are trying to add some new rules to get more cars in the class at a more affordable budget.

Marc P

 

What about the pro all motor class? Two guys in the high 8s and a few in tge low 9s and then there is a drop off.

 

most people cant afford to build a tube chassis. no way around that with any rules.

 

street class in drag racing has never meant a car that drives on the street. it means a stock chassis car. same way in the domestic world.

 

Maybe weight breaks to backhalved cars. Then weight breaks based on engine type and displacement.