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Old Nov 14, 2013 | 06:53 AM
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I'm thinking about converting my 1990 Honda CRX Si to obd1. So the car's wiring is obd0. So what if I get a gsr swap with obd2 plugs? So the car needs obd0-obd1 converting, but the engine needs obd2-obd1 converting.

How does this work. I just couldn't understand the simplicity of it all you know. So I'm guessing, I need to somehow convert the car to obd1 while converting the obd1 to obd2 plugs but remaining obd1 if that makes sense. Or would I need to strip off all obd1 sensors from another engine?

Also, if I were to keep a cable clutch b16 transmission on it, am I able to keep the cable speed sensor without pulling codes?

The first question is the important just thought I'd add the second one in case anybody had a bad day and wants to flame twice to relieve stress.

Any help gladly appreciated. Thanks
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Old Nov 14, 2013 | 06:58 AM
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you can either repin the harness or buy an harness from a place like rywire.

id start by searching both processes.

you sound like youd be more comfortable buying the rywire harness.
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Old Nov 14, 2013 | 07:31 AM
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I would approach it by converting to OBD1 and simply noting the 2 or 3 things that don't hook up directly.
For instance, the distributor. when you find out that it doesn't plug in then look up on the internet how to convert it.
Really not difficult at all.

If you do get a GSR then you will also have to deal with the IAB. OBD2 and OBD1 trigger differently so you will either be adding a relay or hardware modifying an ECU.
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Old Nov 14, 2013 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by RanCRX
I'm thinking about converting my 1990 Honda CRX Si to obd1. So the car's wiring is obd0. So what if I get a gsr swap with obd2 plugs? So the car needs obd0-obd1 converting, but the engine needs obd2-obd1 converting.

How does this work. I just couldn't understand the simplicity of it all you know. So I'm guessing, I need to somehow convert the car to obd1 while converting the obd1 to obd2 plugs but remaining obd1 if that makes sense. Or would I need to strip off all obd1 sensors from another engine?

Also, if I were to keep a cable clutch b16 transmission on it, am I able to keep the cable speed sensor without pulling codes?

The first question is the important just thought I'd add the second one in case anybody had a bad day and wants to flame twice to relieve stress.

Any help gladly appreciated. Thanks
I did an OBD0 to OBD1 write up, pretty easy.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-crx-ef-civic-1988-1991-3/how-obd0-obd1-3175858/

You are over thinking the differences between OBD1 and OBD2.

As far as the transmission goes: Cable or hydro has nothing to do with the speed sensor. You need a cable driven VSS in the transmission. I have used the VSS from the D-series stock trans in my B16 cable trans just fine. Not sure about the GSR trans though. Either way, you can swap the sensor on the trans so it fits the stock speedo cable. No code will pop up.

Read the write up I did and let me know if you need some more help. The thing 4drEf was talking about:

If you do get a GSR then you will also have to deal with the IAB. OBD2 and OBD1 trigger differently so you will either be adding a relay or hardware modifying an ECU.
I know my conversion harness from OBD0 to OBD1 had a pin for the IAB. I have been told you can swap the intake manifold and remove the IAB that way. Just what I've heard.

If images are too small: click images, click magnifying glass, click magnifying glass again to view original size.

I did my own OBD0 to OBD1 conversion this weekend and thought I would share it with everyone to hopefully prevent some repeat threads. The whole process is actually very easy and shouldn't take much time at all. If you are prepared, I would say it should take you 1-2 hours depending on your choices and skill.

What you need:
1. OBD1 Distributor for your model of motor (D,B,H, ect) mine was a B16A.

2. A conversion or 'jumper' harness. I bought this one on eBay for $43. 2 Day shipping and every wire was perfect. (I checked the pinouts myself)

3. An OBD1 ECU. I chose the P28. The P30, P72, ect will all work. Note that if you have a VTEC motor and you chose a non-VTEC ECU, it will need additional work for it to work. For this write up I am assuming you already have an ECU that will work with your motor.

4. A 4-wire oxygen sensor. I had one on my car already.


Now that you have everything, it's time install it.
1. First things first, disconnect the negative cable from the battery to prevent injuring yourself or causing damage.

2. Remove your old distributor. You must remove the spark plug wires. Then there are 3 bolts and 2 plugs.







3. Install your new OBD1 distributor. You can see in the photo that I removed the OBD1 plugs on my distributor and soldered on OBD0 plugs so it will plug into my existing motor harness. You can do this, or solder OBD1 plugs on your motor harness. Or you can get a jumper harness for this too.


4. Now onto the interesting stuff. Go inside and unplug your OBD0 ECU.

5. Plug in your conversion harness to the existing plugs.

6. You should have a set of wires that plugs into your conversion harness. This subharness is for additional sensors that were not present on OBD0 vehicles.

This is the pinouts for the subharness that was included with my conversion harness.

7. No pictures for the next couple of steps. But there should be a wire on the subharness designated for pulling ECU codes. You should wire this to one end of a switch. On the other end of the switch, attach a ground. When you have a check engine light pop up, you can flip the switch and the check engine light will blink in the same manner as the OBD0 ECU LED. You can tuck this switch up somewhere or mount it some where out of the way. You shouldn't have to use it often.
8. Wire your new 4-wire O2 sensor. Two of the wires are for the heater. One is a ground. The last one is the signal wire.
9. Wiring VTEC if your motor has it. One wire will go to the solenoid. Another wire will go to the pressure switch. The other side of the pressure switch will go to a known good ground. I recommend the thermostat housing.
10. If your ECU has a knock board you can wire the knock sensor. If it does not, do not wire the knock sensor. My P28 did not have a knock board so I did not wire my knock sensor to it.
11. Plug in your ECU and connect the subharness to the conversion harness.


You're done! Very simple to do.

If you have to swap plugs on your distributor or motor harness, it is very easy to do. You color match for the most part. If you swap the plugs on the motor harness, the large white wire on the OBD0 7-pin plug will be a yellow/green wire on the OBD1 7-pin plug. The same goes for swapping the plug on the distributor, but the opposite. This large white wire and yellow/green wire are by themselves on the plug. They do not have another wire above or below them.


Here are the OBD0 pinouts:


Here are the OBD1 pinouts:


Hope this helps. It's been done before but another write up won't hurt when people search for OBD0 to OBD1 conversion.
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Old Nov 14, 2013 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Freemananana
The thing 4drEf was talking about:...
I know my conversion harness from OBD0 to OBD1 had a pin for the IAB. I have been told you can swap the intake manifold and remove the IAB that way. Just what I've heard.
You can swap out for a Skunk 2 manifold or some other brand that does not include the IAB.
You can also remove all the parts of the IAB or just rig it to stay open - completely defeats the odd shape of the manifold.
I'm going to guess that none of those would be idea for the stock ECU mapping.

Personally, if the engine is fairly stock, I dig the idea of having a working IAB. Really not hard to hook up.
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Old Nov 14, 2013 | 11:13 AM
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ECU jumper harness
Distributor jumper harness (was going to use the obd2 distributor, but was d.o.a.)
if you decide to keep the obd2 injectors, wire them in and ditch the resistor box.

that's everything i did for my B16b and never had a problem.

regrading the ecu and manifold, the car i bought came with a GSR with a skunk2 manifold with the stock GSR ecu. the person i bought it from said the timing was off when it was really the ecu throwing a code since he changed manifolds. i just took it to my tuner and he took care of it.
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Old Nov 14, 2013 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 4drEF
You can swap out for a Skunk 2 manifold or some other brand that does not include the IAB.
You can also remove all the parts of the IAB or just rig it to stay open - completely defeats the odd shape of the manifold.
I'm going to guess that none of those would be idea for the stock ECU mapping.

Personally, if the engine is fairly stock, I dig the idea of having a working IAB. Really not hard to hook up.
Yeah, same thing goes with the knock sensor. A lot of people throw big deals about the B16A knock sensor and it's just easy to hook up and have a working motor/ECU combo.
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Old Nov 19, 2013 | 07:01 PM
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Heck ya thanks for the info. I'm definately thinking about saving the extra bucks for the gsr. I really hope its worth it, right now the car is already modded for a 1st gen b16a swap (obd0) and while its very fun, and I could just swap another long block, last one blew at the 7th year of owning, there is just more options on a 1.8L and better tuning on obd1 and easier to find parts for. I'm adding this to my favorites
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Old Nov 20, 2013 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RanCRX
Heck ya thanks for the info. I'm definately thinking about saving the extra bucks for the gsr. I really hope its worth it, right now the car is already modded for a 1st gen b16a swap (obd0) and while its very fun, and I could just swap another long block, last one blew at the 7th year of owning, there is just more options on a 1.8L and better tuning on obd1 and easier to find parts for. I'm adding this to my favorites
1.8L gives you a little more displacement, that's really all. The B16A can be run OBD1 too. Definitely easy to find OBD1 stuff than the OBD0 B-series stuff.
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Old Nov 20, 2013 | 02:52 PM
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Curious - which motor responds to mods better?
I always thought the GSR, but I'm really not so sure.
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Old Nov 20, 2013 | 03:27 PM
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Curious - which motor responds to mods better?
I always thought the GSR, but I'm really not so sure.
I would assume the B18C5 would be the best, but then again it is pretty good from the factory so maybe something that has more to gain from the bolt ons?
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Old Nov 27, 2013 | 11:36 AM
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Well, right now, the obd0 b16a is getting more expensive because it's getting harder to find. Supposively hmotorsonline On Sale for a obd0 long block is $1250. When you try to find it at other places such as jrautoparts or anywhere else, it states a lower price and in stock yet when you call them, they do not carry them because its $1500 for the engine and to get it shipped from Japan. I could throw in a obd1 b16a. I just never owned a b18 or b20. I like to stay N/A for a lot of reasons. I really would love to turbo. I love the car but not that much to build a b18b ls, the addition al parts and tuning. Swapping a b16a or b18a with a stock tune p28 or original ecu with some needed parts is fine with me.

Now I'm all messed up. So it's either a obd1 b16a 170hp, or b18c gsr 180hp.
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Old Nov 27, 2013 | 03:46 PM
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Freemananana, did you change injectors and ditch the resistor box? I did not see any mention of that in your quoted post with the obd1 conversion.
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 07:45 AM
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Freemananana, did you change injectors and ditch the resistor box? I did not see any mention of that in your quoted post with the obd1 conversion.
No. Your injectors can stay the same. I still have my OBD0 injectors in there. There only difference is peak and hold vs uhm... not peak and hold. The name slipped my mind. Regardless it is about the resistance that the injector has. One set requires the box and the other does not. The ECU cannot distinguish between the two.
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 09:32 PM
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Saturated. So you could use obd1 injectors and ditch the resistor box?
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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by jonGSR
Saturated. So you could use obd1 injectors and ditch the resistor box?
Yup. I have peak and hold with a resister box. But I also have RC injectors that I've used without the resister box. Motor doesn't care.
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