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Old Oct 6, 2013 | 05:02 PM
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Hey guys, I'm new to the civic world and I'm looking to build a civic. I'm going between a 1999-2000 Si and a 1997-2000 EX or LX. What's the main difference between the Si and the others? Is it worth me getting the Si? My plans are just a strong NA build, possibly FI but I'm not sure..
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Old Oct 6, 2013 | 05:15 PM
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Are you from Canada or the United States? There's a difference and it depends on which country you're in.

If you're in the states:
The SI is a whole different platform basically. The interior is different, the engine bay is different with an engine that brings in way more power, some suspension is different too but not by much.

There's so much info about these online, please go do research because I'm honestly too lazy to write out an essay for you to read. Basically, the SI is greater overall as a coupe. If you want a hatchback or sedan, you can always motorswap. In the end, an EM1 (Si) is more of a novelty piece because people swap practically anything anyway. If you want to build, just get an EX since it's cheaper and build a motor.

Do you even have any mechanical experience/knowhow? Have you worked on cars before? What's your budget? Why are you getting into this.
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Old Oct 6, 2013 | 05:20 PM
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True^

since engine is the main thing we're talking about here....the Si has a b16(DOHC) and the EX has D16Y8(SOHC) both are a waste N/A...
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Old Oct 6, 2013 | 06:15 PM
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LX/DX = D16Y7
EX = D16Y8
Si = B16A2

They're all low displacement motors, and would cost more than it's worth to do an N/A build. Force-fed, the B16A2 can safely go 250-300 on stock internals, 350-400 on forged. The D16's are both capable of 200 safely on stock internals, and 300 with forged. You can go higher on all three motors, but your longevity will severely suffer.
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Old Oct 6, 2013 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CO671
Are you from Canada or the United States? There's a difference and it depends on which country you're in.

If you're in the states:
The SI is a whole different platform basically. The interior is different, the engine bay is different with an engine that brings in way more power, some suspension is different too but not by much.

There's so much info about these online, please go do research because I'm honestly too lazy to write out an essay for you to read. Basically, the SI is greater overall as a coupe. If you want a hatchback or sedan, you can always motorswap. In the end, an EM1 (Si) is more of a novelty piece because people swap practically anything anyway. If you want to build, just get an EX since it's cheaper and build a motor.

Do you even have any mechanical experience/knowhow? Have you worked on cars before? What's your budget? Why are you getting into this.
Ok cool this is a good start.. Yes I'm in the states, South Carolina. I've always liked the 99-00 Si, and now is a time in my life when I can get one. From what your saying, the Si is the way I'd go. As far as mechanical experience and know how, yes. I'm hydraulic mechanic in the USAF, and know how yes I have a 2010 dodge charger SRT8 with a Kenne bell 2.8lc, running 9lbs of boost, that was installed by my me and my friend at the house, and we are currently putting airbags on it as we speak. As for my budget I don't really have one cause I won't be doing it all at once it will be piece by piece. The reason I'm getting in to its is because I'm about to stop driving the charger as much so I want some thing else to mess with..

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True^

since engine is the main thing we're talking about here....the Si has a b16(DOHC) and the EX has D16Y8(SOHC) both are a waste N/A...
When you say they are a waste NA why is that? I'm guessing that the power to money is just not worth it?
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Old Oct 6, 2013 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jbpnoman
LX/DX = D16Y7
EX = D16Y8
Si = B16A2

They're all low displacement motors, and would cost more than it's worth to do an N/A build. Force-fed, the B16A2 can safely go 250-300 on stock internals, 350-400 on forged. The D16's are both capable of 200 safely on stock internals, and 300 with forged. You can go higher on all three motors, but your longevity will severely suffer.
Thanks that's what I'm looking for!
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Old Oct 6, 2013 | 06:28 PM
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At 350whp, whats gonna break? Axles, tranny, clutch?
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Old Oct 6, 2013 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Jaye
At 350whp, whats gonna break? Axles, tranny, clutch?
The stock rods
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Old Oct 6, 2013 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Jaye
At 350whp, whats gonna break? Axles, tranny, clutch?
350hp NA or turbocharged?
Commonly, the rods in the motors blow that high, most especially in the D16's on the CX/DX/LX/EX whether VTEC or not.

You'd be surprised at how much info on builds there are out there.
There's Honda-Tech, Clubcivic, and even motor dedicated orums like D-series and b20vtec etc;
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Old Oct 6, 2013 | 06:52 PM
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the fact that the b16 has just 2-4 more Ftlbs of torque then a d16 that's why... along with just 160hp. Boost it or swap it out for something better.
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Old Oct 6, 2013 | 07:03 PM
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Ok cool thanks guys
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