Ok one question...I've seen a few of the "all-motor" racer CRX pulling 10s w/ just 240 some-odd horsepower. Of course they weigh like 1600lbs. But why would you rather have a B16aengine in your car than a B18C1? I mean besides cost effectiveness. Right now I have a '92 Civic Si motor in my '91 CRX Si, and I have a friend that'll do the B16a swap for $500 after I get an engine. How much more work is really involved in installing a B18C. What about aftermarketparts? Will a GReddy turbo kit still work w/ it?, what about headers? will they clear the ground and everything? And what about exhasut, will I have to get completely custom exhaust?

 

Please use the search function in the upper right hand corner of your screen, Its been talked about many o' time.

 

a b18c is just a tad bit bigger then the b16a.... if you had a b16a in your crx all ready a b18c long block can be put in replacing the b16a long block....

 

Once you get those clearances worked out (not much worse than a B16 I've heard) I've heard it's not any more difficult to install than a B16A

The B18C has waay more low-end power than the B16, and more high end power than the B16. All in all, the B18C is a much better motor to use than the B16 is - the only major drawback is weight, it's heavier than it's 1.6 liter brother.

If I had a choice between a B16 and a B18C - I'd go for the B18, no question about it.


[Modified by MrTodd, 9:48 PM 10/24/2002]

 

Hmmmm...that would be a hard choice 160 hp vs 180 Your wallet would be the determining factor.

 

Nice - my point exactly. Why bother with the wimpy B16? Anything before the VTEC X-over on the B16 is no better than driving your old D16A6.. B18C is better in every way.

 

i think if everyone had their choice they would have put a b18c or c5 in their crx. thats simply the highest output of the b-series. id love an h22 but its a world of really shity clearances and the 92+ love these swaps like the efs like b-series.

if you can go b18c, ive got almost as much money into my b16a as a b18c and it isnt as fast as a b18c stock and i dont know if it ever will be.?.?

derek

 

Sorry about not using the search funcion. I'm a newbie at this forum stuff. And I just joined this Honda one today... Thanks though, and I'll try and keep "search" in mind for the future...

 

But still, don't be afraid to ask questions... Regardless of what you ask or where you ask it, someone (who's been spending WAY too long online) will be a dick or be very rude about discussing the "search" function. (not speaking of CR-X)


For the most part we're here to help.

BTW: I love my b16 but would like a b18c1 block to go with the head... maybe next year.

 

to Mr todd: i think it is funny that you have a single cam vtec motor and are calling the B16 wimpy. you need to own one before you can talk **** on it. i like my b16, i would like more power, who wouldn't? but i am happy for the time being. i just wish my flywheel was half the weight it is now. stupid slow revs.

 

also, i would certainly do the GSR block under my B16 head. poor man's type r motor.

 

This is so ignorant...a b16a wimpy...it might not be like it's larger b series brother but before VTEC the b16a has plenty of grunt. I don't know why people say the b16a has no power before VTEC because mine seems to have quite a bit of power. Granted the b18c is better and that is why it costs over twice as much as the b16a. The size of your wallet will be a determining factor...

 

true, first gen b16 longblocks can be had for 500-700 bucks, while b18c's are upwards of 2g. We pay more for the b-series swap parts than the actual b16 engine. I think the cable tranny/axles/mounts/shift linkage is what really drives the price up on b16 swaps. I will not hesitate to drop a gsr block on my b16 cable tranny when I get the loot. Plus I'll already have my electronics to use it as obd-0. The b16 is a great place to start.

 

It is just really tough to find a b18c longblock. They are all sold with the trans and ecu. You can sell the trans but you have to drop all that cash up front before you recover the money from the transmission sale. Indeed we ef guys get hosed when it comes to swap parts.

 

Sorry to tell you Mr. todd I have raced another crx with a d16y in his car and I was way ahead of him before my vtec kicked in.

 

The b16a has a better head than the b18c 1,2,3,&4. It is designed with flow characteristics closest to the c5. like someone said it is a poormans type R motor.

 

I have the B16 it is fun for a while then you just get used to it. I recently bought a b18c5 block for my car. I just need a little more money to fix other things and pay my friend to through it in. I also am putting the Mugan Head Gasket on with Type R intake manifold and a DC 4-2-1 header. I wish i would have individualy felt the power difference but hey what can ya do. Oh my block has like 20k on it or so and i paid 975 not to shaby

 

I'd rather my b16 than the b18c. It has the potential to make more than enough power with a turbo and the b16 has a better R/S ratio. I also wouldn't want to add anymore wieght than i have to, to the front of my front-heavy FF. For the money of a B18c you could build a much faster b16; JYT = junk yard turbo

 

My old E had a stock b16 which the owner recently built up. With an AEM CAI ported TB and Skunk2 IM and Hondata gasket. On the exhaust he used DC 4-1 Headers with the collector cut to 2.5 and an 1 piece exhaust custom bent an welded to the exhaust (since I just had it smogged he's good for 2 years) The only other changes are a 7 pound flywheel that came with the swap and an APEX VAFC. When it dynoed it made power very similar to a stock ITR motor so you can get good power without the extra $$$

 

Two words. Torque Baby. B18 if you have the money.

 

B20vtec. the best of both worlds. You can get the shortblock cheap then use the b16 heand and hardware and blow away the 16-18 debate!

 

I have to say the torque of a B18Cx would be really nice, yes the B16a pulls pretty descent on the low end since our cars are so light, but a little extra torque is so nice. I recently drove my brother's Mitsubishi Mirage which has a 1.8L sohc engine, and on the low end (below 5000 revs) the car picked up speed very well. I found myself going faster than I usually do without much effort from the engine. My plan is to find a B18C block somewhere, preferably a B18C5 but they're not easy to come by. That B18C5 block you found for $975 sounds like a steal, wish I could find a deal like that.

The reliability of the B20 Vtec is Highly questionable, and the B18C has more than enough torque to make me happy.

 

How many of you are drag racers, and running around 15.0 on your B16 swaps??? B16 EF's own the road courses! A car capable of pulling low 14's (no LSD) to high 13's (LSD) is quite suficient given the weight. The B18's tend to disrupt a poor weight distribution to start with. And who cares about what the motors charecteristics are under VTEC (still way better than stock)? Who really drives there? It takes time to really appreciate proper power and handling together, but don't make poor decisions now that you'll regret later. If you only drag race, that's a whole different story. Honda's were never really meant to drag race, but if you insist, then the american philosiphy of bigger is better applies. But if you're going that far, buy a big block chevy or mopar, and be done with it.

 

YES, my b16 is quite sufficient for track events, actually it schools on the track. BUT I want more power, don't you want to keep up with the Corvettes and Porches on the straights, I know I do. I could pretty much take most cars at the track on the turns, but when it came to the straights I was lacking against the high HP cars.

 

The first generation B16 swap is a more direct swap than the B18C. The B18C started in 94, which is OBDI, so you have to mess with wiring, and on top of that, you can either do a cable to hydro clutch conversion, or use an old school transmission.