I recently put these cams in my h22 type s and I went from 212 whp to 210 whp. After all of the tuning we still couldn't push any more power. It seems to me that something little is wrong and causing problems. I know that it is not my injectors. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

I'm really not sure how to attack your problem but there is a problem somewhere.

are you running a catalytic converter?




here is his dyno with settings at 5e/2i which has yielded the best results thus far.

You never did tell me what settings you guys have tried. also please post your build for everyone else who doesnt know

For everyone else, a little background:

I was contacted by a friend who owns a shop about this car and they were trying to decide between cam sets and I recommneded Pro1 to them as a all around good cam. They got the cams installed and you can see above the red graph is the Pro1. They have tried many settings (i dont know what settings) and cannot overcome the Type S cams.

If anyone can add in some advice, it would be appreciated.

 

did you guys double check settings on hte timig belt? maybe its off..

 

5e/2i seems like alot of seperation for pro1's

 

Blake I am not exactly sure what all settings he has tried but he has spent some time. For those of you who do not know my build I will post it shortly

 

Type s Pistons 11.0:1 Compression
Skunk2 pro 1 cams with pro series cam gears
68mm skunk2 pro tb
gutted and ported p13 intake
360cc s2k mini injectors
no power steering
2.5" catless custom exhaust
hytech replica header
aem cai
balance shaft belt delete
h23 manual tensioner
pro series valvetrain and a tune
I believe thats it

 

did you adjust the cam gears on the dyno?

 

Yes, for several several hours, to no avail....

 

He has but I have not been told all settings that have been tried

 

I would tell you all of the settings but I do not know them all, I would contact Justin but he is not at the shop today.

 

Sounds like somethings off,

Is everything in time? whats induction/exhaust setup?

 

Along with all the thought of something being off, what about internally, possibly the engine is hurt? Was the type-s cam dyno done same day or previously?

Personally I would be checking timing again, and then doing a compression test.

 

How does the rest of the graph look compared to the Type-S cams and what is peak torque like? Are peak whp numbers being made at the same point?

 

i posted the chart showing the Pro1 vs. Type S

 

A compression test was already done and checked out as follows:
Cyl1 217.3
Cyl2 216.8
Cyl3 215.6
Cyl4 220

 

When you say you are running "Pro valvetrain" what valvesprings are you using as we do not offer Pro Valvesprings for the H.

 

The b series pro valve springs with the base kit along with the titanium retainers

 

Gotcha; the graphs were similar enough I wasn't positive if that's what it was. Wow, so they lost out in the midrange and the top-end...

Anything else done to the motor at the same time? Are these the original Pro1's or the newer style; I don't know if the specs themselves are different, but I thought they updated them a few years ago.. Brian can you answer?

 

If i recall, Brian was able to specify that there aren't any changes on the "new" pro1's but the stamppings.. brian should jump in and correct that, i believe he will.

As far as the OPS problems go, Blake have you taken a look at the tune? How does it look? OP, i'd get a second opinion from blake from the tune perspective first.. After I'd have a second set of eyes check the mech timing on the motor. Ensure that everything is infact timed correctly. From there.. I was try track results, Dyno are just numbers and they look good, but who's the say the car doesn't run faster.. the pro1's are a great cam, i see no reason why it shouldn't do fine.. at minimal settings. Search JAYWEST on here or also message Kenny @ TurboGixxer, and ask him a bit about his experince with pro1's.

 

Well the car is still at the shop and he is not done digging into it to try and find the problem...we are going to do a run with open header before he takes the head off to ensure everything looks alright first. I was expecting quite a good gain from these cams seeing as though I have the cam gears and an experienced tuner...

 

may be you have ignition problem

i had same problem on a costumer setup

less power with upgrade
the problem was sparkplug wire
car was runing great but when we switch wire for test 9 whp !!!


we had
3 whp on new accel coil to

so make sure everiting is in perfect condition

 

DDtech is correct (hey D). There have been no changes to the Pro Series profiles or indexing as of yet. That is likely going to be changing in the fairly near future, but for now everything out there is exactly the same.

Degreeing the camshafts would have been a good idea, but it seems like we may be a little late in the game for that.

Something is off that is for sure. I have seen dozens upon dozens of stock bottom H's make big gains across the board with Pro 1. Thats why I asked about the valvesprings as it has to be something like that to generate the results we are seeing in that graph.

Take a peak down the distributor hole at the end of the cam and make sure the cam is marked correctly. Never hurts to start from the beginning and make sure the parts are what we believe them to be.

I would also recommend retarding the cam timing in tandem. I would start with something like -1IN and +2 or +3 exhaust. That will shift the power to the right a bit.

One thing for certain, there is something wonky here, as the numbers should be higher from 2500 all the way up.

 

pro cams must be degreed. we played for hours on the dyno with pro1's got mad and finally degreed them in....major difference.

 

Hey, do mean degreed in with a degree wheel?

 

Hey Brian, I contacted you guys via phone about the h22 pro 1 cam quick settings, I was told by one of your associates that the quick setting for those cams w/pro series gears was -1 for intake and +3 on exhaust. Can you confirm this? As I have seen someone here on H-T say that the quick settings for that setup(h22 pro1) are +3intake and +4 exhaust. I thought normally 3-4 degrees of separation was minimal??