91 DX 1.5L Surging Idle

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Old Mar 31, 2013 | 05:32 PM
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Default 91 DX 1.5L Surging Idle

No surge when cold and at idle. However, when engine is warmed up after highway driving, it surges a bit at idle. I don't notice any issues when driving. Ay suggestions? Thanks and Regards!
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Old Mar 31, 2013 | 05:37 PM
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Google "Honda Idle troubleshooting" and find out how to clean your IACV, or further diagnose.
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Old Mar 31, 2013 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jdm_rb20
Google "Honda Idle troubleshooting" and find out how to clean your IACV, or further diagnose.
I will add: the idle, when cold, is controlled by a manual mechanism called the Fast Idle Throttle Valve (FITV??) and...when it warms up, the idle is controlled by the Idle Air Control Valve(??) (IACV). :D
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Old Mar 31, 2013 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jdm_rb20
I will add: the idle, when cold, is controlled by a manual mechanism called the Fast Idle Throttle Valve (FITV??) and...when it warms up, the idle is controlled by the Idle Air Control Valve(??) (IACV). :D
^ this.

It sounds like your Cold Fast Idle Valve is not closing when coolant warms up.

Both full of useful info on the subject:

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Old Mar 31, 2013 | 08:15 PM
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Thanks folks! Great help and now I've got a lead. Those films are awesome, silkypillows. I'll follow up when I figure out what's up.
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Old Apr 1, 2013 | 12:57 AM
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If you've done anything with the coolant hoses bleed the coolant
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Old Apr 5, 2013 | 02:09 PM
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I took off the IACV today ( I found out the '91 1.5L has no FITV )
I cleaned it out really good with brake cleaner and got a good bit of gunk out of it. Put it back on and ran the engine through 2 fan cycles with the radiator cap off to bleed the coolant. A substantial amount of bubbles came out. Did that until it stablilized and got no more bubbles.
It runs much better, but still surges just a little bit at idle. Especially after gunning it, where it then stabilizes after about 10 seconds. Perhaps I didn't get the IACV completely cleaned, or there's a bit more air still in the coolant? I can live with it for now, with my eye on maybe getting a new IACV. Not sure if dirty injectors would cause rhythmic surging? Thinking of putting some Seafoam in the fuel...
Thanks.
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Old Apr 5, 2013 | 02:18 PM
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Did you crack the bleed valve its where the top radiatior hose enters the engine side its a 12mm
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Old Apr 5, 2013 | 03:10 PM
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Thanks. I just went out and cracked it, ran her for a few. Got some small bubbles but that was it.
It runs pretty good at regular idle, around 600rpm or so. The surge is more pronounced when I hold the acceleration at around the 1000-1200rpm range or so.

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Old Apr 5, 2013 | 04:39 PM
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if you have no fitv then pull the throttle body off and clean the **** out of it... i dont have an fitv either and had a surging idle about 4 days ago cleaned the iacv an throttle body along with bleeding the coolant and it went away leaving me with a high idle due to a bent throttle cable bracket... I literally just solved my idle problems today
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Old Apr 5, 2013 | 05:13 PM
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Thanks. I'll do that. What do you suggest to clean the injectors with when I get it off of there? I ordered a PCV today ($4) on the off chance that might help.
Congrats on getting yours fixed.
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Old Apr 5, 2013 | 06:00 PM
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I've had good luck with seafoam in mine put it in the tank down the throttle and in the oil then change oil in a couple hundred miles
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Old Apr 5, 2013 | 07:22 PM
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Silkypillows, Nice find!!!
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Old Apr 12, 2013 | 05:02 PM
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I changed the PCV. The old one, with 191K was essentially a carbonized plug. It seems to have made a difference. It's an easy repair and only a few dollars. I still get a very slight surge, but it's intermittent. I put in some Sea Foam today, in the gas tank. Haven't had time to "deep clean" the TB.
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