I'm looking into putting the dash from a '98 gsr into my civic. My question is, how difficult is this going to be? Have any of you done this before? If so do you have pics? Thanks

 

Very. Yes. Google does.
Do another mod. It isn't worth the time or effort.

 

It's stupidly difficult. You'll have to hack your wiring all to hell and back, and you'll have to hack the entire upper and lower dash all to hell and back. This is one of those "If you have to ask, you can't do it" kind of things.

 

thanks guys

 

And hack the door panels as well.

 

And the center console. And the steering column. And the cluster. And the cluster wiring. I think the OP gets what we're getting at

 

Ive done it back in the day (ricer stage)

skip this step for best results,
It is a civic so just leave the civic dash in it.

 

Not to mention tampering with the VIN number is illegal.

 

The VIN is on the firewall, not the dash.

 

honestly I like a challenge, I think I am gonna go for it, plus its a great learning experience for me thanks for all your input everyone, pics will follow shortly

 

It's not that hard. You need to cut off some pieces around the steering column to make the dash fit. You need the top heater panel from the integra. And you need to make some new mounts the dashboard lays on. The only tricky part is the wiring but if you find a wiring diagram it's do-able.

 

from what I've seen, it fits in there ok. Its hard to get the door panels to line up with the dash.

imo... put your energy somewhere else. The EG civic has one of the most attractive and functional dashboards ever offered by honda. It is well laid out, and not nearly as subject to cracking/damage as other dashboards. I would only attempt this if the dash is already gone, or broken/missing parts.

 

Tempering with the DASH VIN is federally illegal. That is how law enforcement checks the VIN number, they don't ask you to pop your hood now do they?

 

94, I think we've had this discussion before. You are wrong. There are two VIN plates bolted to the firewall - one under the hood, and one in front of the dash, visible through the windshield. You can remove the dash without touching either VIN plate. I've removed more Honda, Acura, and even Ford and Nissan dashes than I'd care to remember. They were all the same way.

 

We also have a lil metal piece that has the cars vin number on the driver side dash. It's illegal to remove it.

 

I give up. You people don't want to read or comprehend what I'm saying, from experience. I've done it multiple times. I've been humping keeping it legal for 5 years now around here. I'm not just talking about what I "think". I know.

You can remove the dash without removing the VIN plate.

 

jb is right, my dash vin is engraved on a metal plate that i wont even need to touch.

 

If you honestly think that, then you're just as stupid as the ricers who think they can legally drive a RHD car on any US roads before the 25 year exemption.

You're right, we did have this conversation before and you never had anything else to say.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/dc2-dash-eg-2505679/

It doesn't matter if you have done it multiple times without getting caught, good for you. Doesn't change the fact that it is still illegal. Is it heavily enforced? No it is not, but why be stupid and take the chance? Wait what am I saying this is Honda-Tech where everyone wants to half *** everything.

Multiple threads have been over it with every single one saying it is illegal. Most people just say "be careful" but there have been people who lost their car because of this kind of ****. Whatever, do what you guys want it is not my car.

http://marketplace.honda-tech.com/sh....php?t=1977248

http://marketplace.honda-tech.com/sh....php?t=2076522

https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/replaced-dash-where-do-i-get-replacement-vin-new-dash-2850826/

https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-crx-ef-civic-1988-1991-3/how-remove-vin-dash-2397296/

 

considering there is numerous r32's, r33's and a few r34's here(colorado). oh not to mention the blue dc5 and white dc5 that are driving around. care to explaiun that?

 

Read:

https://honda-tech.com/forums/acura-integra-type-r-8/importing-grey-market-vehicle-facts-whats-legal-whats-not-2805656/

All of those cars are federally illegal. All of the owners went through various loopholes with the local DMV to get their illegal car on the road or paid somebody at the DMV under the table to issue a US title using the 10-digit Japanese VIN. If somebody tried to title one outside of Colorado it would not work. I know of a ton of RHD Civics in Missouri and nobody from Kansas can buy/title them so the owners have to keep it in MO.

Importing Euro cars is much easier on the federal level and most Euro Imports are legit.

 

if it's legal in the state as it's occurring, then your argument is pretty much useless. I don't care about **** hole kansas or missiouri.

 

grey market vehicles are illegal, some skylines re legit, but few are.

RHD cars are legal just not imported ones.



Putting another dash in is not VIN tampering



JURISDICTIONAL TABLE OF CASES and STATUTES

UNITED STATES CODE

18 U.S.C.A. § 2321 See --§ 2[a]
1375

Proving Violations of 18 U.S.C. § 511
It is not necessary to allege in the indictment the absence of the exceptions contained in subsection 18 U.S.C. § 511 (b). See this Manual at 226 (Negating Statutory Exceptions). The use of the term "unlawfully" excludes the coverage of the lawful removal or destruction of a number. A reason why you may wish to specifically describe the altered VIN is to establish with some specificity the actual motor vehicle which is the subject matter of the indictment. To prove a violation of Section 511, it must be established that: (1) the defendant knowingly removed, obliterated, tampered with, or altered an identification number on a road motor vehicle (or component); (2) the identification number was one required by the United States Department of Transportation (DOT); and (3) such conduct was not done lawfully (e.g., defendant knew the vehicle was stolen and was trying to conceal its identity).

The essence of the offense is to show a removal, obliteration, tampering with, or alteration by the defendant. Eyewitness testimony is the best evidence to prove that the defendant removed or falsified the number. Proof of a removal of a number should be easily accomplished by persons familiar with what numbers should be present on a motor vehicle or part.

Proof of the falsification of a VIN will require in most cases expert testimony. Law enforcement experts may be able to detect "concealed" numbers placed by the manufacturer on the motor vehicle. From such information, the original VIN can be reconstructed. If you know the make and model year of the motor vehicle in question, analysis of what the VIN characters for such a vehicle should have been will help establish a falsification.

In regard to the present 17 characters VINs, each character or group of characters has meaning. The falsification of a number can be established by experts from the law enforcement community, the National Insurance Crime Bureau (NICB), and the manufacturers. The meaning of the various characteristics of the VIN for a particular vehicle can be explained by these experts.

The manufacturer's production records will reflect whether a vehicle having a certain VIN was ever manufactured for that model year. If the criminal has duplicated an existing VIN from another vehicle, the manufacturer's records along with the VIN will reveal the particular characteristics of the vehicle having the original (i.e., authentic) VIN, thus permitting a comparison of the physical attributes of the two vehicles to determine to which vehicle the VIN was actually originally assigned by the manufacturer.

In most prosecutable cases, your expert witnesses will be able to establish the identity of the original VIN. However, if that is not possible, a successful prosecution should still be possible by showing that the vehicle was manufactured by a particular manufacturer, that such manufacturer always certified compliance with the DOT standard(s) (which compliance meant the vehicle had the required VIN (or component numbers)) and that the VIN (or component numbers) on the vehicle (or part) was not one the manufacturer assigned to any of its vehicles (or parts).

The evidence must establish an unlawful removal or falsification. The lawful removals can be found in 18 U.S.C. §§ 511(b) and 512(a)(3). Under subsection 511(b), these lawful exceptions do not apply if the person knows that the motor vehicle or part is stolen. Except for the area of "repair," these exceptions should cause no significant enforcement problem. The relevant portion of H.R.Rep. No. 1089 on H.R. 6257, 98th Cong., 2d Sess. 23-25 (1984), makes clear that the "repair" exception is intended for the protection of the honest body shop operator who while fixing a part does some injury to its identification number. The exception "is not intended to apply to the operators of "chop shops,' who remove such parts - not repairing or recycling them for lawful purposes." Most of the states that are parties to the interstate compact, which created the Vehicle Equipment Safety Commission (VESC), have established under their respective state laws, procedures for the restoration and replacement of missing identification numbers. See Regulation VESC-18, Standardized Replacement Vehicle Identification Number System.

For further discussion of 18 U.S.C. § 511, see this Manual at 1375.

 

^this guy knows whats up

 

94preludeguy, I didn't have anything more to say to you because I know you're wrong, and you won't admit that you're wrong. Like I've already said, I've removed and swapped dashes on multiple Hondas, Acuras, Nissans, Fords, Lincolns, and Mercuries. I've NEVER had to remove the VIN stamp on the dash.

Don't you worry, I'll be removing my dash to replace is with an SI dash soon. I'll prove it to you in my write-up then.

 

Doesnt matter if you remove it or not, see my post.