Hey guys, Im looking to get my tuning software for my 89 Crx Si done. I will be running obd0 chipped pm6 ecu on turboedit with a boosted d16a6 non vtec.

Xenocron Tuning: Innovate Motorsports Wideband Master Distributor - LM1, LC1, XD16, LM2

Im buying a few things from xenocron and I need to pickup a wideband kit. Originally I was going to go with the LC1 for $209 from him, but the PLX multigauge looks sweet as nails to (even though I dont really understand how it works) and since I still need to buy gauges, you can buy mutiple sensors to run through that interface?

I added a few of the PLX sensors I would need along with the wideband kit (boost, water temp and oil pressure) and I was close to $600 for gauges and a wideband. Very top end of my budget. I dont mind buying my gauges seperate from the wideband if that is to much money, just throwing it out there for debate

he offers quite a bit more and even LC-1 seems to have a multigauge

What do you guys recomend I go with?

 

is chris tuning the car?
i believe they all use the same bosch part # 02 sensor
If they are tuning it ask and see witch one they prefer.
i have total trust in any thing Mr Harris says when it comes to that sort of stuff

 

Im useing the PLX DM6 afr and they are great
to easy to setup and use
good product and good suport
Im about to use a whole set on my truck with 9 sensor inputs + 3 displays

 

Are you using the wideband to control fuel trims? If so, then theres only a couple that will work..

NGK AFX, innovative MTX-L, and i think one more.. Ask chris like stated above

 

I like my plx also

 

Any with analogue output would work. The mtx-L is no different than the LC1 in its features.

 

Either the MTX-L or the PLX DM6 is what I recommend...

If you arent trying to log sensors, get a working Vac/Boost and oil pressure gauge and you are good to go there.

With OBD0 ECUs, you are limited to your logging abilities, and you'll want a good gauge.

 

Chris,

let me ask you this.. Even tho some widebands have an anolog signal, Ive read where most put out 5v and the ECU reads 0v-1v. So the MTX-L has the scaled simulated version correct? Same with NGK AFX?

 

Im not quite sure if I need to log or not yet, will be a conservative street driven car on pump gas, no dyno ever. Ive tuned with turboedit with just a wideband display before and make on the fly changes and reburn.

But that build also didnt get the best MPG's or power Im sure

Just didnt know if any guages stood out from others as far as display, or long term reliability in a daily driver

The PMX Dm6 looks amazing, but can I only get it to display one thing at a time? Like can it show me boost sweeping on the top and digital of the afr

Im just very new to gauges I suppose, never had anything but mechanical gauges before

 

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So many options!!

 

Im not a huge fan of AEM stuff, but this unit does just that...both Wideband and Boost readings on the same gauge, and has failsafe strategies as well.

http://www.aemelectronics.com/wideba...safe-gauge-84/

 

PLX, my innovate system fails at least once a year and burns sensors out every 3 months

 

The PLX Dm6 for $200 does look very good, but I cant find much for people using it with success for a period of time on a DD, like you said, I dont want to be constantly buying sensors and having them shipped overseas

I almost feel as if Im "wasting" the PLX gauge to if I were just using it for air fuel

 

i have had plenty of customers use PLX or innovate successfully for long periods of time. i only use Innovate stuff on all of my stuff. I had the same sensor in my race car all this year, various different gases on the dyno, 15 or so runs at the track, 20+ pulls on the dyno, starting the car from time to time...etc

there are a lot of different reason those cheapo bosch sensors can fail. usually its moisture, or how its mounted in the exhaust, can be how its treated, if taken out and removed from time to time (moving from car to car) I find that they fail early...leaded race fuels are another killer.

the sensor is an OEM sensor, its rated for 100k miles on the VW applications it comes on stock

 

I figured the PLX may last longer because it comes with that large control box and there is talk of the soft start helping prolong sensor life, I like that gauge display more aswell.

Only question really is if I want to add other sensor boxes to it. It cant display more than one sensor at once right? Can only switch between sensors by touching the screen or something??

 

If I went with the PLX DM6, I would probably add the oil pressure and water temp modules, as I would primary watch the AFR display, and switch to the oil pressure/water temp screens if I ever felt the need to peak, not really something I need a constant eye on.

But I would definetely like to see both AFR and boost at the same time during pulls, which in my head would mean buy a seperate boost gauge, but then it comes down to logging and tuning. Would I still be able to monitor or log with any other boost gauge or can I somehow incorporate this??

On a semi tight budget, these gauges are adding up

 

I would give a very good review on the new failsafe AEM WBO2.. I've installed it on my Evo a few weeks ago which uses opensource tuning, and the gauge + logging ability was great. The response on the gauge was also very good as well compared to other units.

 

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Thanks for your advice Tony, but Im hoping to stick with something from the xenocron.com website, I was at your shop a few weeks ago, impresseive cars in there!! especially your integra and camry all snuggled up together

 

How do the PLX boxes get power??

 

the gauges will only display one sensor at a time
if boosted you'lll find you monitor boost more than afr

 

just like any other accessory
but the display doesnt need a seprate power source

 

They just have a power and ground wire? Aslong as its not a cigarette lighter style

The oil pressure gauge for the PLX system doesnt look TOOOO bad for an extra $120, but you can definetely do it cheaper with a seperate gauge

Does the PLX have any sort of warning lights or indicators?

 

to answer all your questions
have a look at there site
they are packed full of features

 

This kid just loves being an "Askhole".

Either way, the Innovate gauge/display is garbage and the older PLX controllers burn up from running extremely hot. As usual, once scorn they will always be garbage to me.