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Old Oct 8, 2012 | 06:04 PM
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i was thinking about removing head block (cylinder block) to replace the head gasket then put it back on, using a feeler gauge as my friend told me about adjusting valve on head block. i'm still uncertain. i read on my manual about feeler gauge. hmm is it necessary when i replace the head gasket? this month i bought a new radiator, hose sets, thermostat, water pump and timing belt. if it didn't solve then is it head gasket then? last month i was lucky i arrived at my friend's home in ohio (new home) from montana all way driving it until i arrived in ohio, waiting for my friend to meet me at a resturant (that was back when my car was still good, then we chatted, then my friend haven't drive it then started a engine, ready to go home, that when i saw a little steamed, i told him to turn it off, and i pop up hood. i saw coolant recovery (resouiver) was like..overflowing out from inside. i know i can do fix it since i have read on manual and youtube for DIY. my engine is d16y7 97 Honda civic dx 2dr
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Old Oct 8, 2012 | 06:28 PM
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feeler gauges are only used really to adjust valve lash on our cars.
that isn't really part of doing a headgasket. if it hasn't been done in 100k miles --id do it personally (adjust vavle lash) and yes...your issue sounds like a HG to me.
as for feeler gauges, I got a set at harbor freight for 8 bucks. work like a charm for me.
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Old Oct 8, 2012 | 06:51 PM
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feeler gauges are only used really to adjust valve lash on our cars.
that isn't really part of doing a headgasket. if it hasn't been done in 100k miles --id do it personally (adjust vavle lash) and yes...your issue sounds like a HG to me.
as for feeler gauges, I got a set at harbor freight for 8 bucks. work like a charm for me.
then my assume was right. do you think is it easy to replace head gasket after installing water pump, timing belt, and thermostats, filling a new coolants?? if it didnt go steam then my hg is still safe if not then is it simple to put a head block back? is there a step to do it properly? how does it work? some ppls think it will take 10 hour to do remove then put it back. i can put my picture what it look but its old picture. it doesn't have a power steering and ac.
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Old Oct 8, 2012 | 07:42 PM
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Replacing the head gasket, IM gasket and exhaust manifold gasket can be time consuming, especially if you haven't done it before. Just take your time and read ALL instructions in the service manual. Use good gaskets (so you don't have to do it again anytime soon), and don't reuse head bolts (buy new OEM ones. They're like $5 bucks a piece). Have the cylinder head resurfaced at a reputable machine shop too.

After you're all done putting everything back together, THEN run a valve adjustment. After removing and reinstalling your rocker arm assembly and camshaft, your valve lash has a tendency to get out of wack. Just go buy a valve tappet feeler gauge set at any autoparts store. They're cheap (like less than $5 bucks) and effective, and you can use them for other stuff too.
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Old Oct 8, 2012 | 08:17 PM
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Replacing the head gasket, IM gasket and exhaust manifold gasket can be time consuming, especially if you haven't done it before. Just take your time and read ALL instructions in the service manual. Use good gaskets (so you don't have to do it again anytime soon), and don't reuse head bolts (buy new OEM ones. They're like $5 bucks a piece). Have the cylinder head resurfaced at a reputable machine shop too.

After you're all done putting everything back together, THEN run a valve adjustment. After removing and reinstalling your rocker arm assembly and camshaft, your valve lash has a tendency to get out of wack. Just go buy a valve tappet feeler gauge set at any autoparts store. They're cheap (like less than $5 bucks) and effective, and you can use them for other stuff too.
where can i find a new OEM head-bolts? i have looked on ebay they're 80 bucks. you said each 5 buck a piece.
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Old Oct 9, 2012 | 01:24 AM
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i love civic too, great car and an outstanding pickup .
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Old Oct 9, 2012 | 04:03 AM
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oem headbolts come from any oem source. I got a set not too long ago and paid 90, but I got them directly from a stealership b/c I needed them asap. Try majestic honda or some online discounter.

if you can do a timing belt...you can do a headgasket. If you search theres plenty of write ups to follow. Its basically, remove everything from the head, all sensors/wires/etc. Get it bare, yank it off, clean off old HG, install new HG and reattach everything. It isn't hard, it is time consuming. I can do one in about 4.5 hours myself and thats with taking my time. If its your first plan for 6 hours. Maybe you get it done quicker, maybe it takes longer. The time guides are a pain in the butt. It never goes smoothly. Maybe you break a bolt, that adds an hour on- maybe you need a wrench/bolt whatever...adds time.
If you have every part you need, and no lost time for missing tools/parts/breaks etc you will probably be done around 4 hours.
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Old Oct 9, 2012 | 04:47 AM
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where can i find a new OEM head-bolts? i have looked on ebay they're 80 bucks. you said each 5 buck a piece.
Well, okay, D15B7 head bolts are roughly $5 bucks. Your engine's bolts might be a little more. Check Majestic Honda.


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oem headbolts come from any oem source. I got a set not too long ago and paid 90, but I got them directly from a stealership b/c I needed them asap. Try majestic honda or some online discounter.

if you can do a timing belt...you can do a headgasket. If you search theres plenty of write ups to follow. Its basically, remove everything from the head, all sensors/wires/etc. Get it bare, yank it off, clean off old HG, install new HG and reattach everything. It isn't hard, it is time consuming. I can do one in about 4.5 hours myself and thats with taking my time. If its your first plan for 6 hours. Maybe you get it done quicker, maybe it takes longer. The time guides are a pain in the butt. It never goes smoothly. Maybe you break a bolt, that adds an hour on- maybe you need a wrench/bolt whatever...adds time.
If you have every part you need, and no lost time for missing tools/parts/breaks etc you will probably be done around 4 hours.
Also, you might want to opt for really nice aftermarket head gasket (like Fel-Pro's PermaTorque MLS line). Some are reinforced, so you probably won't need to touch the head gasket again for as long as you own the vehicle.

And count on the machine shop possibly keeping the cylinder head overnight for the resurface, depending on how many other jobs they have lined up before yours.
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Old Oct 9, 2012 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by fragmare
Well, okay, D15B7 head bolts are roughly $5 bucks. Your engine's bolts might be a little more. Check Majestic Honda.




Also, you might want to opt for really nice aftermarket head gasket (like Fel-Pro's PermaTorque MLS line). Some are reinforced, so you probably won't need to touch the head gasket again for as long as you own the vehicle.

And count on the machine shop possibly keeping the cylinder head overnight for the resurface, depending on how many other jobs they have lined up before yours.

is this the right site?? http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...EAD+%28SOHC%29

um reinforced head gasket sound good. if it is for daily driving and road trip then i can do that, if it can last longer then i can get that i suppose. i wonder how much it cost to get head block resurfaced from machine shop??
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Old Oct 9, 2012 | 09:52 AM
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is this the right site?? http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...EAD+%28SOHC%29

um reinforced head gasket sound good. if it is for daily driving and road trip then i can do that, if it can last longer then i can get that i suppose. i wonder how much it cost to get head block resurfaced from machine shop??
Yes, that's the site. And your head bolts are dirt cheap. $2 bucks a piece!

I'd definitely recommend a reinforced head gasket, if you plan on keeping the car for a while anyway. Something like this one http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=446762

Having the head resurfaced really depends on the shop. The one near here did mine for $45 dollars, but shops near you might be higher or lower. You might also want to consider asking the shop to resurface the intake manifold mating surface, if you want to err on the side of caution. Just make sure you remove the rocker arm assembly, camshaft, all studs and dowel pins before you take it to them. Otherwise, they'll send you home or charge you extra.
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Old Oct 9, 2012 | 02:33 PM
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Yes, that's the site. And your head bolts are dirt cheap. $2 bucks a piece!

I'd definitely recommend a reinforced head gasket, if you plan on keeping the car for a while anyway. Something like this one http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=446762

Having the head resurfaced really depends on the shop. The one near here did mine for $45 dollars, but shops near you might be higher or lower. You might also want to consider asking the shop to resurface the intake manifold mating surface, if you want to err on the side of caution. Just make sure you remove the rocker arm assembly, camshaft, all studs and dowel pins before you take it to them. Otherwise, they'll send you home or charge you extra.
i wonder if there is a machine shop in nelsonville,ohio. i have to change my profile lol just moved to ohio last month. if i remove rocker arm,camshft stufs. how do i put them in a proper order to torque or something?
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Old Oct 9, 2012 | 06:40 PM
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There probably is a machine shop somewhere near you. They're everywhere. Mechanics have to get stuff machined/pressed somewhere, right?

You don't have to disassemble the entire rocker arm assembly. You just remove the cam holder bolts, work it loose with a flathead and pull the whole rocker assembly out while holding it on both ends as if it were one piece. After that, the camshaft just lifts right out. Make sure you have some cardboard or a folded up towel or something to set it on because it's going to be dripping some oil.

The loosening and tightening sequence for the cam holder bolts and head bolts will be in the service manual. So will the torque specs. You'll definitely want to get a torque wrench and shop manual for this job, if you don't already have those.
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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by fragmare
There probably is a machine shop somewhere near you. They're everywhere. Mechanics have to get stuff machined/pressed somewhere, right?

You don't have to disassemble the entire rocker arm assembly. You just remove the cam holder bolts, work it loose with a flathead and pull the whole rocker assembly out while holding it on both ends as if it were one piece. After that, the camshaft just lifts right out. Make sure you have some cardboard or a folded up towel or something to set it on because it's going to be dripping some oil.

The loosening and tightening sequence for the cam holder bolts and head bolts will be in the service manual. So will the torque specs. You'll definitely want to get a torque wrench and shop manual for this job, if you don't already have those.
allright i got a torque wench and hayne manual and downloaded service manual from this forum to see the between my hayne and this service manual so i have to ensure to get it done the weekend is coming yay cant wait to get my crank pulley tool. rme
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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 07:18 AM
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call up your local napa ---Ive seen some in the northeast (ohio is close enough) have sister machine shops under the napa name. If they dont have a machine shop...they will for sure know wheres the closest one.
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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by redm3turbo
call up your local napa ---Ive seen some in the northeast (ohio is close enough) have sister machine shops under the napa name. If they dont have a machine shop...they will for sure know wheres the closest one.
thanks for the suggestion. i was thinking about buy a used cylinder head block from ebay, and i can use it as a back up or just in case?
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