hey i replaced everything on my timing side, belts, etc. including the tensioner we do not speak of.

to get this on, i will need to remove EVERYTHING to install it. i dont know the exact name, and i dont know exactly what it does. it was not in any of the chilton diagrams. the mechanic who was overseeing the work said he doesnt think it does anything important but hes not certain.

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this was the old part that i replaced.


what is its exact purpose? to just hold the timing cover on? this is the bolt that has a rubber seal on it as well as a pin.

 

What tensioner did you install? H22 Auto tensioner? Or Kaizenspeed H series manual tensioner.

Edit: Forgot this was you: Is the H22 Auto tensioner hyped up?

In that case, yes. Re-do it and replace the auto tensioner with a manual tensioner from an H23.

http://mr22.tistory.com/tag/tensioner

The auto-tensioner WILL fail. Doesn't matter if it's brand new. Unless you are willing to risk rebuilding your head. Then, by all means...leave the auto-tensioner in there.

Either way, you need to take it apart again. Either to install that bolt or replace with manual tensioner.

Regardless, you NEED that bolt for the auto-tensioner.

Kaizenspeed also makes a manual tensioner. That alone should convince you that the auto tensioner has known issues, if you haven't searched about them failing already.KS Tuned - H series manual tensioner

 

yes, i used the auto tensioner.
are u positive that i need that bolt? what exactly is its role?. i thought it was just there to help hold the timing cover on. its the bolt that sticks outside of the timing cover and u have to remove a pin and rubber seal off of the the bolt to take off the cover.

im really not trying to remove my timing belts, EVERYTHING including trying to compress the tensioner if i dont have to.

that would really suck

 

It'll suck more when you have to rebuild your head. There's a reason why many people ditch the auto-tensioner.

 

hate to sound naive but even though theres evidence to support that the auto tensioners fail, an auto tensioner was what i pulled off and im guna put on another one. if every single one failed, all hondas with h22 engines would have had failed auto tensioners and they all would have most likely had to get new valves/possibly pistons. my mechanic made it sound out to be that the reason they fail is from installation errors/not changing them enough/ using them under higher than stock HP settings, which could very well be the case. anyways i dont want anymore replies about switching to the manual tensioner im sticking with the auto. if it does break, ill be the first person to admit that i was a dumbass to you guys.

no more replies about the auto T. , i want to figure out what that bolt is used for and if i need to take everything back off and install it.

need to know, because im going to probably turn the engine tonight once i install the distributor and vtec solenoid.

 

mechanic friend said that the bolt is only there to help with replacing timing belts. so its not needed, its just there to help lock the tension into place so removing the belts is easier.

 

And you understand what there trying to explain to that is a common problem which is why they are saying to switch. They know its a problem thats why the later verison motors built by honda's are chains and have a completely different way of tenisioning on things.

i think you should put the bolt back before have a serious issue later on.

 

im just going to use the auto tensioner. and the mechanic even asked the other people at his shop and they all said that the bolt isnt needed, it just helps when replacing/removing the timing belt. hes done 1000s of timing belt replacements and he was a mechanic instructor in the army for over 4 years so im just guna go with what he says for now.

 

good luck hope it all goes well for you then. FYI a deuce in a half and humvees aren't the same as a regular car. This is coming from a guy that flew and maintained uh-60's and did that motor pool stuff every freaking Thursday.

 

im not using the auto tensioner to spite anybody dont get me wrong, im just not willing to purchase another new tensioner. i also dont wanna rip everything off, its too late in the game for me to wanna do so.

and hes been a certified mechanic for over 15 years as well as being a mechanic for the army so im just guna go with what he says. thats a long time to be a mechanic and thats a lot of time to stick with an opinion on something. but liek i said well see, if i get money saved up again and decide to build the head then ill definately look into getting a manual tensioner swap. for now im just going to leave it be

 

You should see if he'll warranty his work. Doubtful since it seems like it was a joint effort for the job but you may want to look into it.

Good luck though!

 

yea might want to see about that
naa to be honest im not too worried about it, id say SLIGHTLY hesitant just because of the things ive been hearing about it but its whatever.

 

That bolt is used for properly tightening the balance shaft belt. When you tighten it adjusts the tension on the timing belt by lifting up that little arm that the autotensioner presses up on. It's also used when taking the belts off I believe to release some of the tension

If that bolt is missing then you can assume that the mechanic didn't go through the proper belt tightening procedure, because in the manual it describes using that bolt.

The hole on the end is for a cotter pin or something like that i believe to hold the cover on.

About the tensioner... I used the KS tensioner myself, but there has been a lot of bad rep for the autotensioner. I would say that if you're pushing you're engine at all, you should go with a more solid tensioner setup such as the KS or the H23 setup. If you're stock, just using the car for normal purposes, I would say you would probably be okay with the auto, but make absolutely sure you install and tension it correctly, or else you could be looking at some damage to your engine.

 

well we were putting things back together and then we realized we left the bolt out and we were like danng. so the real question is do you actually need it or will it be fine without it? and even after we realized we left it out we went through the chilton manual and in no diagrams or instructions did it even mention or have a picture of the bolt in the entire book. unless we missed it but i highly doubt it.

 

I just finished replacing the timing belt on my car last night. That bolt there to hold the tensioner in place if you are re-using the timing belt. You loosen it until the beveled side comes in contact with the tensioner assembly and it holds it in place when you take the belt off.

If it's not holding anything else on there (I don't think it does) then you should be fine.

PS. I used a new auto-tensioner on mine as well.

 

yea we fired it up first crank and no problems. he also said the bolt was irrelevant. i kind of pressed him further as to why auto tensioners have a bad rap and he basically said that there is a certain amount of oil within the auto tensioner and if the pressure drops itll quit working. he made it sound like it had a lot to with installation/compressing errors. idk i cant remember exactly what he said, (i was hungry and tired as **** it was a long day)

 

For future reference, if you have the tensioner off, REPLACE IT WITH AN MANUAL TENSIONER. I know you already used the Auto, but there is really no excuse if you have to buy a new tensioner.