Jun, Toda, or Skunk2?
I did a search but there is that thing in me that wants to hear what people say now.
Im still deciding on cams. Jun3's and TodaC's sounds real nice but they are lot more than Skunk2 stage 2. I know I have to upgrade my Valvetrain too. Are Jun and Toda really worth the extra money or is it mainly for the name?
My setup now:
JDM DC 4-1
Type One exhaust
Carsound cat
AEM pulleys
J's racing intake
Im still deciding on cams. Jun3's and TodaC's sounds real nice but they are lot more than Skunk2 stage 2. I know I have to upgrade my Valvetrain too. Are Jun and Toda really worth the extra money or is it mainly for the name?
My setup now:
JDM DC 4-1
Type One exhaust
Carsound cat
AEM pulleys
J's racing intake
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JUN for top end power (Ala Drag Racing). Toda for good low and mid range power (Ala autocross or road racing).
Skunk2 for a little of both for a cheaper price.
Skunk2 for a little of both for a cheaper price.
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Don't get me wrong you can use either one of those 3 cams for any venue but they tend to deliver power like I stated. I like Toda products (Even though I had engine replaced because of a timing belt). Jun is okay and Skunk is decent for the money.
Wow a lot of insightful opinions on this thread.....
Jun and Toda are very popular due to the fact that they were some of the first high-lift long duration cams on the market. Both can be tuned to make well over 200 whp. Both also like high compression and most of the motors (with stock bore) that are making 200whp+ have done compression and fuel injector upgrades as well. You WILL need tuning of some sort - Hondata seems the way to go in this department. JUN's dedicated ECU has not been proven to be worth the money.
Skunk is a newer cam in terms of availability. Some of the earlier renditions had catastrophic breakage problems which have since been resolved (?). There have also been reports of breakage of JUN and Toda cams as well. How much of this is actually attributed to manufacturing defects is unknown. Some people have also been reporting broken timing belts with the higher lift cams (Toda B/C, JUN III) - this again has not been proven to be caused by the cams. Belt tensioning and installation issues are more likely the culprit - however a stronger timing belt like the Power Enterprise one is also recommended.
As for valvesprings - stick with like/like (i.e. Toda springs for Toda cams). Titanium retainers are a good buy if you want to lighten the valvetrain - but watch for wear - a lot of people have had wear problems with titanium retainers.
also - get GOOD cam gears that don't slip - AEM cam gears do not have a good reputation in this regard.
[Modified by Big Phat R, 4:02 PM 10/16/2002]
Jun and Toda are very popular due to the fact that they were some of the first high-lift long duration cams on the market. Both can be tuned to make well over 200 whp. Both also like high compression and most of the motors (with stock bore) that are making 200whp+ have done compression and fuel injector upgrades as well. You WILL need tuning of some sort - Hondata seems the way to go in this department. JUN's dedicated ECU has not been proven to be worth the money.
Skunk is a newer cam in terms of availability. Some of the earlier renditions had catastrophic breakage problems which have since been resolved (?). There have also been reports of breakage of JUN and Toda cams as well. How much of this is actually attributed to manufacturing defects is unknown. Some people have also been reporting broken timing belts with the higher lift cams (Toda B/C, JUN III) - this again has not been proven to be caused by the cams. Belt tensioning and installation issues are more likely the culprit - however a stronger timing belt like the Power Enterprise one is also recommended.
As for valvesprings - stick with like/like (i.e. Toda springs for Toda cams). Titanium retainers are a good buy if you want to lighten the valvetrain - but watch for wear - a lot of people have had wear problems with titanium retainers.
also - get GOOD cam gears that don't slip - AEM cam gears do not have a good reputation in this regard.
[Modified by Big Phat R, 4:02 PM 10/16/2002]
how bout this, since im getting so many different responses can people list there setup and there dyno numbers, but have the stock bottom end? Im looking for the best power gains too
how bout this, since im getting so many different responses can people list there setup and there dyno numbers, but have the stock bottom end? Im looking for the best power gains too
I have JUN III's with a stock bottem end an a Mugen Headgasket. I am happy with the cams but unhappy with my current ECU (JUN programmed it incorrectly) I have Endyn rollerwaves and Crower rods ready to go in but this will require retuning so I am going to go with the AEM EMS or the new EFI systems setup when it comes out. Toda makes an excellent cam, no matter what decision you make, it will be a good one.
For Toda idle on a JUN cam, just unplug a vacuum line.
For Toda idle on a JUN cam, just unplug a vacuum line.


