hey guys im new to the site but have been looking through some of the threads.
i recently bought a 95 honda prelude with h22a. currently has cold air, cheap megan header, and stage 2 clutch it pulls hard can cherp on 3rd if i hit just right. i live in sd and we dont have any tuner shops around all are gm and ford considering i work at a chevy dealer ship. im not a total idiot too these imports but still have allot to learn. the lude has roughly 60k on the motor and repalced new timing belt and valves after i blew it first month i owned it. right now im in the process of getting msd igniton box installed and the guy said the wire harness is jacked and needs a new one so im one the hunt for one but not finding diddly.
i want to do a build one the jdm h22 but not sure what route i want to go for daily driver pushing around the 250 mark. idk what its pushing now but its strong buddy has 01 lude with h22a4 and mine will spank it with ease!!! i want to go full motor right now i beleive since turbo hondas arent ease to fix or tune in this state..

I Want to run mahle gold pistons not sure about high compression?
eagle H Rods
skunk2 pro 2 cams,
cam gears
bisimoto header or hytech but like design of bis!!
skunk2 pro valve train not sure if i should replace valves since they are all new from timing belt blew
i want to port and polish the head as far as possible
euro intake mani
70-74 mm throttle body
and hondata s300 for ecu
and bocsh 440 fuel pump.

i would turbo but have had a little one whose 6 months now so money is a little tight and knowing to get my block bored from someone out of state wont be cheap at all!! do you guys think that will bring me too the 250 range and good for daily driver?? i beat several k20s here in town and cant belive the h22 low end power its a beast!!! im not one the computer much since moved nd no internet soo thats why i left u poor guys to read this long *** post hah sorry guys!!
let me know what u guys think about that set up or suggestions or brands for parts not too smart yet in the import bussiness!!
thanks Brandon .p.s. should i spend the money and turbo or go all motor?? not many turbo cars here in sd so should be able to walk all overr with some extra ponys!!!!! let me know the best nd reliable route

 

it's like this guy knows that i lurk here...

no to both, put your kid through school first. 250whp N/A on the setup you just mentioned is impossible unless if you have some ungodly high compression going on.

Without knowing you, I'm purely judging on what you've said, you don't have the funds available to spend on a hobby. You're in over 2000$ on the block alone, and the rest of your N/A setup is over 3k (hondata, injectors, header, intake mani setup etc. adds up quick). 5g's into a 2000$ car doesn't make any sense lol.. better off saving 2-3000$ and buying an S2000. You'll be just as fast and it'll hold its value better than a 16+ year old prelude

 

dagle- i understand what u mean by not putting 5 grand into it but like i said theres only kids 1 turbo civic in town that i know of the rest are civics with a fart can and thats it. thats the mods for people around here. i asked the honda dealer about doing a motor build and it seemed like i knew more than they do. they told me to talk to an acura dealer.... just want to build it in time not all together like u said buying clothes for a 23 lb 6 month baby dont last hes a ham! but what could i expect with that set up? 230? i raced a gtp with over twenty grand into it pushing 18lbs off a undersize pully and the lude took it by half a car so i mean its gotta be pushing 200-210 right now how it sits. i bought car for 4500 bucks and got in a hit in run in the front end gotta replace radiator support bumber nd fenders but more lookin forward to build it up rather than makin it look pretty for now.. i been getting offerd 8-10 grand the way it sits now but not takin offers bc u cant really find the 4th gen ludes anymore only couple i seen in real life in sd

 

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What part of SD are you in, I've heard there are some good tuners in Sioux Falls.

To get 250whp NA out of an H22, you're going to need high compression, something in the 12-12.5:1 range. You'll also want cams, valvetrain, intake manifold or ITBs, and a 3" exhaust.

What you need to know about an H22 is that you shouldn't hone it. If there aren't any scores on the cylinders, a good machine shop can clean it up with a plastic brush. The FRM cylinders walls in an H22 require special hones that most machine shops don't carry. There's a write up on here somewhere that details the process of honing FRM.

Since you are in SD, you have access to E85. Just converting to E85 will gain whp once you're tuned. Because E85 has such a high octane equivalent, tuners can be much more aggressive with the ignition timing which is where all your power is made.

To convert to E85 you will need to figure out what size injector will feed 250whp at 80% or less duty cycle and add 30% because it takes more E85 to make the same energy as gas. For 250whp you won't need a 440lph pump, a good old trusty Walbro 255lph feeds my lude at 470whp with E85. You can do the math if you don't believe me.

I run ID1000s in my lude, which is 1000cc/min, so the math is
1000 cc/min x 4 injectors x 60 minutes = 240000 cc/hour
(240000 cc/hr) / (1000 cc/liter) = 240lph

So, if you are running 1000cc injectors, or less, a standard Walbro 255 will feed them.

If you want to save money, don't waste your money on an aftermarket fuel rail, pressure regulator, lines or filter. Those are all dress up items, your stock system will do just fine. The cross over point to a new fuel system is around 500whp, then you're talking about dual pumps and bigger lines.

I noticed you mentioned installing an MSD ... don't. The stock Honda ignition system is good to well over 600whp. An MSD just adds more complications when you are trying to troubleshoot problems. I've seen situations where owners of both MSD and M&W standalone systems have converted back to factory ignition because something in them failed and cost them a race day. Every one of them was over 400whp.

 

i live up by aberdeen about ten miles from the nd border and yes i talked to dan at excessive auto heard he does great tunes. going to send head down to sioux city iowa too "jerrys head shop". heard he does great head work and will install new cam and valve train for $700 i thought that was pretty good! yes e-85 is very cheap here for like 2 bucks a gallon and will see if dan will tune it for it. there are tales that e-85 isnt good for motors and tend to not last long. i was thinking runnin 91 octane mix with 117 turbo blue? i havent had the chance to look at walls. i had the new timing belt just replaced 1000 miles ago and the guy and honda said everything looked good so i dont expect much wear on them from 1000 miles. only reason im putting msd box back in is when i bought it came with it and one rainy night i tried getting back home from my girls place and everything just cut out. looked the next day and had water inside box. ( i mean it was full of water). do you think i will need to upgrade the injectors if i decide to go with e-85?

 

oh also have questions about headers. i seen there was allot of pages but everyone seems to ramble off about something els. i LOVE the design of bis v2 but for 1200 makes me want to push away from them. hytech i heard good things also but can only find replicas online and idk if the replicas are worth the price. only downfall i seen about bis is replacing the radiator to a much smaller one? hows the ground clearance? my lude sits low very low so kinda scared to have them sit on the ground

 

There have been a bunch of threads on budget header shootouts, there are plenty of budget headers in the $400-500 range that will come close to, if not beat the Bisi header. Every motor will respond differently to different headers. Even though the motors can be built the same, little differences can make them respond differently to the same header.

Now that I've said that some Bisi troll [actual Bisi rep] will comment and call me a liar ... it's one of the things that turns me off to Bisi.

If you convert to E85 you will need larger injectors. It takes about 30% more E85 to provide the thermal energy gas has.

I've heard good and bad things about excessive, I haven't had personal experience with them so I can't say anything one way or the other.

If you can make it to Minneapolis, the place to go is Full Blown, they have tons of N/A H22 experience with H2b hatches. Another place to check out is DB Performance in Rogers, MN, that's where I had my 'lude tuned. I'm very happy with the tune from DB, idle and part throttle quality is like stock on 1000cc injectors and E85. Shane spent like 2.5 hours making sure it was solid everywhere before making big power runs.