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Old Aug 1, 2012 | 02:56 PM
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I know there's a ton of these threads just haven't found the info I wanted from the ones I've read.

I'm ordering a Koni/GC set up soon, just can't decide on spring rates.

The stock spring rates are 246F/110-246R. I wouldn't mind it being a tad stiffer, but the main purpose of the car will be for daily driving so keeping it mild is the goal.

With the slight drop, I'm thinking somewhere in the range of 325-350 for the front and 275 in the rear. Would that rate be the best rate for what I want at that drop?

This is the stance I'm going for:
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Old Aug 1, 2012 | 05:32 PM
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id recommend 450f 350r. nice and stiff yet not crazy stiff, thats what i have on mine, and its perfect for DD status
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Old Aug 1, 2012 | 05:32 PM
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At that height with no track use 350/350 should be nice.
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Old Aug 2, 2012 | 06:58 AM
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At that height with no track use 350/350 should be nice.
Yeah, that's a pretty good compromise. I'm a big fan of keeping the factory balance that Honda designed the car with, especially for a daily driver/weekend autox car.
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Old Aug 2, 2012 | 07:10 AM
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Yeah, that's a pretty good compromise. I'm a big fan of keeping the factory balance that Honda designed the car with, especially for a daily driver/weekend autox car.
Exactly, the rates would basically be just making up for the lower ride height so it should ride very smooth and have stock balance which is fantastic
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Old Aug 2, 2012 | 07:45 AM
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Thanks a lot, I appreciate the help guys. 350/350 it is then.
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Old Aug 2, 2012 | 10:28 PM
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So the stock R rates are 250/250?
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Old Aug 3, 2012 | 07:27 AM
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So the stock R rates are 250/250?
Essentially, yes. The rears are at 110 but the rate goes up when the shock is compressed to a maximum of 246.
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Old Aug 3, 2012 | 07:43 PM
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I just sold my R today. But it had 360F and 380R rates. They worked pretty damn well for street driving and track duty. I also had a 23mm sway bar out back and tons of front camber....as well as 225s up front and 205s out back lol. Finally got rid of almost all the understeer. The car was very neutral and pretty dang quick the last time I took it out.

I kinda wanted to refine the alignment a little bit further and go with stiffer rates and different maybe buy a different suspension setup all together....but decided to sell the car instead and just track my S2000 more. I kinda miss being a type R owner already!
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I just sold my R today. But it had 360F and 380R rates. They worked pretty damn well for street driving and track duty. I also had a 23mm sway bar out back and tons of front camber....as well as 225s up front and 205s out back lol. Finally got rid of almost all the understeer. The car was very neutral and pretty dang quick the last time I took it out.

I kinda wanted to refine the alignment a little bit further and go with stiffer rates and different maybe buy a different suspension setup all together....but decided to sell the car instead and just track my S2000 more. I kinda miss being a type R owner already!
biggest mistake in your life.. should have sold the s2000 not the super limited edition itr.. should have got rid of mass produced s2000 instead
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i first went with 380F/300 and felt like it was too soft for my liking. i switched over to 440f/380 r and loved it. not too harsh for daily driving and perfect for the track. with customized springs its best u do right the first time then having to switch on and off. a 350/350 is pretty much a stock feel. not worth the money imo.
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i first went with 380F/300 and felt like it was too soft for my liking. i switched over to 440f/380 r and loved it. not too harsh for daily driving and perfect for the track. with customized springs its best u do right the first time then having to switch on and off. a 350/350 is pretty much a stock feel. not worth the money imo.
He daily drives it, smooth is what he wants and the stock suspension is nicely balanced which is what the 350/350 will do with a slight drop.
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biggest mistake in your life.. should have sold the s2000 not the super limited edition itr.. should have got rid of mass produced s2000 instead
Yup. Shoulda gotten rid of the faster, more fun to drive car in lieu of a car that had the ONE advantage of being more rare.

I didn't HAVE to get rid of either. I just wanted MOAR parking for MOAR S2000!....errr...we bought another S2000.

But yeah...I'll miss the ITR. It was pretty awesome. The rareness of it did make my ***** semi-erect.
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I'm running 500f/600r on the R which translates to roughly about 9kF/11kR. As my daily driver, as long as I set the dampening to the softest rates, I'm actually comfortable. I may be biased with what I believe is decent ride comfort since I was on Omnipower Sport coilovers before (12kF/10kR). My first track event with the new setup was a few weeks ago at WMHM.12 and I'm still trying to get used to the oversteer
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 01:48 AM
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Interesting thread, thinking of selling my HKS hipermax 2 and getting the gc/koni combo.
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 05:51 AM
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with no track use. and just sporty driving, i say go with the standard KGC 380front 450rear.

will make it sporty on the street, stiff enough to not scrape or rub when lowered but no back breaking. also you can adjust the dampening to softer if it happens to be too stiff
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^Thats not standard. Standard is like 360-380F and 250R. Something like that.
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^Thats not standard. Standard is like 360-380F and 250R. Something like that.
its totally standard, got em from THMotorsports for 700 and a lifetime warranty. they are the "autox spring rates" they had 3 standard rates. "show" "drag" and "AutoX"
AutoX being 380F 450R
and i love them. i personally would go a bit stiffer if i could do it again. but "different strokes" and all that.
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That's not standard lol. Standard just means the normal rates that ground control specs out for all integras which is 380/250. The rates you got are the THmotorsports' recommended rates for AutoX. That's not the standard rate that you would get anywhere else. It's the AutoX standard for THM.

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The rates you got are the THmotorsports' recommended rates for AutoX. That's not the standard rate that you would get anywhere else. It's the AutoX standard for THM.

Which is still on the extreme soft side if you're semi/really serious about autox.
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That's not standard lol. Standard just means the normal rates that ground control specs out for all integras which is 380/250. The rates you got are the THmotorsports' recommended rates for AutoX. That's not the standard rate that you would get anywhere else. It's the AutoX standard for THM.

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i hate to use this lingo... but... You mad bro? lol

then please since you are so angry about the way i worded my original post. let me redo it in a way, such that makes you satisfied.

"With no track use. and just sporty driving, id say go with THMotorsport's STANDARD AutoX Spring rates of 380F and 450R"

will make it sporty on the street, stiff enough to not scrape or rub when lowered but no back breaking. also you can adjust the dampening to softer if it happens to be too stiff
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Old Aug 8, 2012 | 10:25 AM
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i hate to use this lingo... but... You mad bro? lol

then please since you are so angry about the way i worded my original post.

Because you came off sounding that the "standard" off-the-shelf rates that you get when you order the default from Ground Control is 380/450, which obviously isn't the case.

If you had just said that you ordered a custom package via THMotorsports, then it would have been clear.

And you can argue rates all that you wish, but many of us have multiple boxes of standard springs in storage that we've been using to fine-tune our handling. Personally, I have about 12-15 extra sets of springs that I've bought over the years. With that said, 350/350 will give OP what he is looking for.
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Because you came off sounding that the "standard" off-the-shelf rates that you get when you order the default from Ground Control is 380/450, which obviously isn't the case.

If you had just said that you ordered a custom package via THMotorsports, then it would have been clear.

And you can argue rates all that you wish, but many of us have multiple boxes of standard springs in storage that we've been using to fine-tune our handling. Personally, I have about 12-15 extra sets of springs that I've bought over the years. With that said, 350/350 will give OP what he is looking for.
well the reason i didn't say "i bought custom spring rates" is because i didnt lol.
i asked for there standard rates and they gave me 3 options and said those were the KGC standard rates. there for, like i said before. i got the standard rates. nothing custom about it.
while i respect the claim that you have 100 different sets of springs in storage and you have tried them all out and are now the guru of KGC's all i came to this thread to do is share my personal experience. and based on that give the OP some advice. But now that we have argued our way into ruining this thread why don't we stop bickering like little girls and try to help the OP.
so the guru says 350f/350r is best. and i dont disagree. the car may have some obvious under-steer but your not going to experience that until the limits of grip have been reached in a corner and you clearly stated that that's not what the car will be used for so im sure you'll be fine.
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i hate to use this lingo... but... You mad bro? lol

then please since you are so angry about the way i worded my original post. let me redo it in a way, such that makes you satisfied.

"With no track use. and just sporty driving, id say go with THMotorsport's STANDARD AutoX Spring rates of 380F and 450R"

will make it sporty on the street, stiff enough to not scrape or rub when lowered but no back breaking. also you can adjust the dampening to softer if it happens to be too stiff
Mad? WTF? How'd I come off "mad"? I just explained what the traditional meaning of STANDARD spring rates is. Your original post said standard Koni/GCs are 380/450. Wrong, fool. Don't try to back pedal. You didn't mention that they were the THM AutoX set until like the 3rd post.

380F and 450R would work just fine on the track also, BTW.
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Just wanted to give an update. Before anyone comments, I posted the thread in this subforum because I had a completely stock ITR suspension installed so your opinions would be more relevant to me than base Integra owners.

I got the suspension installed over the weekend and everything went smooth for the most part. The 350f/350r suspension feels the same to a stock R suspension in turns but is a little rougher on bumps and such but that was expected ahead time due to the higher spring rates. Overall, I'd say the spring rates I got are the best if you want to keep your car feeling stock. I'm running -2.0 camber in the front so I'll be going with a camber kit. Other than that, the specs didn't get thrown off by much with the drop. Hope this helps those who were interested.

Thanks again everyone.

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