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Old May 21, 2012 | 10:46 AM
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Just wanted to share the build and set up of my current motor. I started with a 1995 GSR long block. It was originally supposed to be a stock motor refreshed with rings, bearings ect...but it ended up getting a lil out of hand lol.



NEW setup:

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Gsr crank
Eagle rods
84mm wiseco 8.8:1 pistons
Rs sleeves(No more)
Golden Eagle (new)
Acl bearings

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Fererra guides and seals
Manley nitride coated flat valves
Skunk pro series valvetrain
Toda spec a cams
Skunk 2 cam gears
Sk2 pro series manifold
ARP Head studs
Cometic HG(no more)
GE/OEM 84 mm HG (new)

Turbonetics turbo (old)
Garrett GT35R t3(upgraded compressor wheel to 11 blade billet unit) NEW
TIAL Wastegate(old)
Precision 46mm WG NEW
Rev Hard manifold (will switch to custom unit if 420 hp is not achieved)OLD
Sheepey Top Mount
1000 cc injectors
Hondata
All seals and gaskets being replaced with OE Honda
4 inch core intercooler
New larger diameter piping
3 inch piping to Blox mini race muffler


This build is mainly my weekend toy/cruising car. Occasionally driving to work. So it will still be running 91 octane. I may dyno it with race gas later but my main goal is to produce 400+ on 91 octane with low boost.

Shooting for 14-18psi on 91 hopefully make 420 hp
then bump up the boost to 24psi on c16 and see what it makes

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Car made 483 HP and 302 TQ on 91 octane and 18 PSI. Tuned by Bubba at Inline Four using a dynopak


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some parts I picked up along the way this was before i decided to go forged internals lol




old intercooler and piping


GE B18C sleeved block









Stay tuned gents....

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Old May 21, 2012 | 11:05 AM
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The hatch looks nice.. takethat oem timing belt back and get a gates rcing belt theres a hugediffrence between them for the same price
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Old May 21, 2012 | 12:59 PM
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umm 400 on low boost? You dont give any turbo information?
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Old May 22, 2012 | 11:24 AM
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I did say turbonetics, T4 T66 type is what my friend says(who I am purchasing it from). I may try out another turbo thats more efficient if i can get the funds together for it.
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Old May 22, 2012 | 11:33 AM
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Very nice and really clean.
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Old May 22, 2012 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by f22btwincam
I did say turbonetics, T4 T66 type is what my friend says(who I am purchasing it from). I may try out another turbo thats more efficient if i can get the funds together for it.
You will make 400 whp on a farly low boost level with that turbo, but it is going to be out of it's efficiency range.

That turbo is big, too big, your going to have to rev that motor to the moon, and your power band is going to suck for street use.

You need a hybrid t3 based turbo for a usable power band on the street, with room to grow, can we say GT35R?
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Old May 22, 2012 | 12:16 PM
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You will make 400 whp on a farly low boost level with that turbo, but it is going to be out of it's efficiency range.

That turbo is big, too big, your going to have to rev that motor to the moon, and your power band is going to suck for street use.

You need a hybrid t3 based turbo for a usable power band on the street, with room to grow, can we say GT35R?
Hell, even smaller than that... You'll have a Ruckus next to him out accelerating him with that turbo on there on 91 octane at that low of a boost pressure..

T4/T67 is absolutely ridiculously large for what you're going for. that's like trying to strap a rocket onto a field mouse...
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Old May 22, 2012 | 12:19 PM
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You will make 400 whp on a farly low boost level with that turbo, but it is going to be out of it's efficiency range.

That turbo is big, too big, your going to have to rev that motor to the moon, and your power band is going to suck for street use.

You need a hybrid t3 based turbo for a usable power band on the street, with room to grow, can we say GT35R?
Have you personally owned a t4 turbo setup daily driven??
Its not that bad only first gear will build boost way to slow..
I say use what you have and upgrade later..
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Old May 22, 2012 | 12:42 PM
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I thought it would be big but, I don't have the funds to buy a good turbo right now lol. It will do for the time being. Unless i somehow find a better turbo for a crackhead deal price lol
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Old May 22, 2012 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by turbohatch96y7
Have you personally owned a t4 turbo setup daily driven??
Its not that bad only first gear will build boost way to slow..
I say use what you have and upgrade later..
No I havn't, because I'm smart enough to not strap a rocket to a field mouse. Although I have ridden in a T4 street car, a hatch with a built Ls/Vtec, and it was god aweful.

Only first gear will be bad? LOL With that turbo, making 400 whp, I would bet a years salary that a stock block B series with a super 60 T3 would destroy that car in a street race.
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Old May 22, 2012 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by f22btwincam
I thought it would be big but, I don't have the funds to buy a good turbo right now lol. It will do for the time being. Unless i somehow find a better turbo for a crackhead deal price lol
You can buy a brand new precision 6031E which is good for 450+ whp for $619.......
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Old May 23, 2012 | 10:48 AM
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Ill look into it after I get everything together. If there is enough money I'll sell the turbonetics and get something more ideal for the set up lol
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Some goods came in.
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Old Oct 22, 2012 | 11:37 PM
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Hell, even smaller than that... You'll have a Ruckus next to him out accelerating him with that turbo on there on 91 octane at that low of a boost pressure..

T4/T67 is absolutely ridiculously large for what you're going for. that's like trying to strap a rocket onto a field mouse...
Shodan, I see you are pretty knowledgeable with turbo set ups. What do you think about my new set up with the changes?
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If this is the new setup, please see my comments in bold

NEW setup:

BLOCK
Gsr crank
Eagle rods

84mm wiseco 8.8:1 pistons -Not bad, though 9.0:1 would be best.. Considering the increased compression from the GS-R head, you should be at about 9.0:1 anyway

Golden Eagle (new) -If these are the sleeves you're using.. YEAAAA!!!

Acl bearings -As long as they aren't the race bearings.. cool

HEAD
Fererra guides and seals

Manley nitride coated flat valves -Stock size or 1mm over on the intake? As long as it isn't 1mm + on BOTH intake and exhaust, you're good

Skunk pro series valvetrain -Nice, nice

Toda spec a cams Interesting choice.. And its a good one

Skunk 2 cam gears -Good, good

Sk2 pro series manifold Good, good

ARP Head studs

GE/OEM 84 mm HG (new) Good choice, indeed

Garrett GT35R t3 A little big, but still nicer than that Turbonetics idea

TIAL Wastegate Which size? hopefully 44mm since you're running at such low boost

Rev Hard manifold (will switch to custom unit if 420 hp is not achieved) Which one? please show a picture of it. if its the log 5 bolt manifold, its not that much of a problem for 420whp, but will present problems later.. my honest opinion Get the custom unit now. and don't bother with the cast Rev Hard..

1000 cc injectors - Which type did you decide?

Hondata - S300?

All seals and gaskets being replaced with OE Honda Good man

4 inch core intercooler Ok..hmmm. what company? core type? etc.. Just because its THICK doesn't mean it works the best

New larger diameter piping You only need 2.5" size TOPS

3 inch piping to Blox mini race muffler Interesting choice, but sure.. as long as the sound is the way you like it.

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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 11:51 AM
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I am all for running more boost if need be but on the crappy 91 octane i dont know if that will be feasible.

The manifold is one of rev hards first manifolds, Myles is trying to save me money on the manifold and trying to use the existing one. If we don't make what I want or it's not a good power delivery we will just go ram horn custom.

The wastegate is the tial 38mm one.

The sleeves are golden eagles, the intercooler is going to be made by Myles to support 400-650 hp which would be my hp goal range pump and race gas.

Injectors currently are Rochester 1000cc's, debating on changing injectors.

Hondata that was given to me was a s100. I really don't want to spend too much especially since I'm not doing boost by gear or that stuff right now. But I may just upgrade to s300 if I can spare the money.
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 11:55 AM
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The valves are std size.
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 12:07 PM
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I am all for running more boost if need be but on the crappy 91 octane i dont know if that will be feasible. You don't have much of a choice, and response will be pretty bad even on a GT35R at lower pressures with 91 octane. Give a shot, but anything under 15psi on a GT35R is no different than a journal bearing SC61, seriously..

The manifold is one of rev hards first manifolds, Myles is trying to save me money on the manifold and trying to use the existing one. If we don't make what I want or it's not a good power delivery we will just go ram horn custom.

But myles made a LOT of different manifold types over the years. Iron link mini-ram? cast log? which one?

The wastegate is the tial 38mm one.

You'll have trouble controlling boost pressure with this at such low boost pressure. Get ready for the spikes. If you were going more pressure on the GT35R, that would be fine, but a 38mm on such low boost pressure for under 400whp, could cause a spike issue. That's why I stated use a 44mm for low boost... At least have some sort of boost controller to iron out the spikes.

The sleeves are golden eagles, the intercooler is going to be made by Myles to support 400-650 hp which would be my hp goal range pump and race gas.
More than likely a Garrett core, but I'm sure you'll see


Injectors currently are Rochester 1000cc's, debating on changing injectors.
with an S100, you'll have drivability issues regardless. That version just didn't have the resolution to support such large injectors be they Rochester/Lucas or Bosch EV14.. You need better management.


Hondata that was given to me was a s100. I really don't want to spend too much especially since I'm not doing boost by gear or that stuff right now. But I may just upgrade to s300 if I can spare the money.

You'll save a lot more... (Your engine) if you just wait and get the right management and injectors, you'll be a helluva lot happier and safer to drive. JUST BE PATIENT
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 12:29 PM
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For the manifold, it looks like a log manifold. He stated that it was the same exact one Kenny tran and jojo ran back in the day. Let me find a pic of it of I got one
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 07:53 PM
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shodan there is the manifold that he is going to remove the t4 flange and weld the t3 on.

I forgot to mention we are putting a manual boost controller on it, forget the name but ill post it later when go to the shop this week
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Originally Posted by f22btwincam
shodan there is the manifold that he is going to remove the t4 flange and weld the t3 on.

I forgot to mention we are putting a manual boost controller on it, forget the name but ill post it later when go to the shop this week
That was the predecessor to the "mini-ram". (Its an iron link I just got rid of mine that belonged to my brother after 10 years and sold it recently with its matching downpipe and wastegate. That manifold can easily do up to 600whp, but I STRONGLY recommend wrapping or ceramic coating that manifold.

Here's mine from 2004 on my Integra.

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I have one of those manifolds too lol
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 10:40 AM
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Here are some pics of the car before Myles took off for Sema. Intercooler should be started at end of this week or beginning of next when he gets back. I decided to just bite the bullet and go with hondata s300. I might even do boost by gear lol 8 or 10 lbs 1st and 2nd then 18lbs for the rest on 91. Depending on how things go lol. The turbo manifold has the t3 flange welded on and looks pretty good. ill post pics of that when I go back for an update.



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Old Nov 15, 2012 | 01:47 AM
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Update: Purchased hondata s300 with boost option and boost by gear. Bout to order DSS acles and hubs as well and throw a cage in for IFO if I can get it together in time.

I'm currently at work and the car was put on the dyno last night, Myles started on the partial throttle tuning and stuff. it made 234HP and 190 tq on 10 psi on the low cam. Once it crosses over to the high profile side of ther cams it starts losing power. Cams are still TODA A spec models. Hopefully tomorrow things are sorted out and we reach that magical 420-430 hp goal on 91 octane lol, If not Ill be happy just to get the damn car back and start driving her around.

Shodan, A spec cams.....whats your reccomendation to set them up? as far as + or - on the cam gears?
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