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Old May 16, 2012 | 09:51 PM
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Default Door Dents and Creases. Sand down to bare metal for filler?

I am going to give my Crx a cheap paintjob and I need to start the body work. The car has little dents and imperfections in alot of places, and a moderate dent in the front fender and a slight rub crease on the passenger rear fender arch.

I picked up a gallon of Evercoat Rage extreme and want to fill and shape these areas back to as flat as possible and work the fender and rear quarter crease back to shape.

Mu question is do I only need to scuff the oem paint/clear and remove the gloss with say 100 grit before applying the evercoat filler, or should I sand the entire low spot area down to bare metal and fill over the bare metal?

Im only going to be applying an aerosol automotive primer over the filled areas as I wont be giving the car paint until mid summer but now is the only time I have to do body work where I live

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Old May 17, 2012 | 05:50 PM
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Old May 17, 2012 | 05:55 PM
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go to the wreckers and get a good front fender, yeah just sand down to bare metal and feather the paint edge. I sugest fixing the dents, filling large dents will just be trouble
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Old May 17, 2012 | 07:08 PM
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Default Re: Door Dents and Creases. Sand down to bare metal for filler?

the car is a JDM ef7 with oem side markers Id prefer not to have to cut holes in USDM fenders. Im just curious if I need to simply sand the paint with 100 to get rid of the gloss and then apply filler, or if I need to sand down to bare metal, and if a 60grit or 220 grit sand before filler would allow better adhesion
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Old May 17, 2012 | 10:03 PM
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Default Re: Door Dents and Creases. Sand down to bare metal for filler?

Sand to metal, apply filler, sand some more.
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Old May 18, 2012 | 08:52 AM
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Even for the smaller dents and door dings I should sand the area right down to bare metal?

I was just reding your build/paint thread buildateg, and it was nice work, so your opinion means alot to me thanks
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Old May 18, 2012 | 10:17 AM
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thanks,means alot
So pretty much if you get filler on a painted surface and it dries it will chip off with no effort at all....get filler on a metal surface and the bond is crazy strong (as it should be). so yes, even the little dings sand to the metal,fill,sand filler,prime.
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Old May 21, 2012 | 08:46 AM
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This will help
Nothing wrong with putting filler on factory paint that has been scuffed up good.
http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/forums/...th-a-spray-gun
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Old May 21, 2012 | 10:26 AM
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Thanks, is there a best spray aerosol primer , or should I stick with an air compressor
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Old May 21, 2012 | 10:41 AM
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Use a good spray aerosol primer.
3M will be perfect.
You MUST seal the primed areas with paint.
Use aerosol close as possible to the colour you are going to use and give the primed areas 2-3 coats after you did the prep work on the primer to apply the paint.
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Old May 22, 2012 | 02:37 AM
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Default Re: Door Dents and Creases. Sand down to bare metal for filler?

So Im quite unsure if I will benefit from sanding down to bare metal around my dents and dings

I also need to buy/make some sanding blocks

Anyone have any info on sanding blocks? Most of my work will be on the rear quarters which arent flat
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Old May 22, 2012 | 09:38 AM
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Default Re: Door Dents and Creases. Sand down to bare metal for filler?

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So Im quite unsure if I will benefit from sanding down to bare metal around my dents and dings

I also need to buy/make some sanding blocks

Anyone have any info on sanding blocks? Most of my work will be on the rear quarters which arent flat
You could go down to the metal but remember that you must feather edge it real good with some P100. Filler must get primed on the same day that you have applied it. You can stretch it to two days if you have no choice. It can stand longer if you did not go to bare metal.

Also do not forget the back sanding before priming.

Get a speed file of around 30cm and a rubber block of around 15cm.
Have a look at some youtube videos to get an idea of how to sand filler correctly.
Rough out with P80 and then P120 and then P220.
It will be wise to prime and then after it has cured wet sand with P400 and a block and then prime again.

The link I have posted you is a good guideline and that is how I do my work.
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Old May 22, 2012 | 02:12 PM
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Default Re: Door Dents and Creases. Sand down to bare metal for filler?

What do you mean by back sanding before priming
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Old May 23, 2012 | 01:28 AM
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Default Re: Door Dents and Creases. Sand down to bare metal for filler?

Originally Posted by Vagitarian
What do you mean by back sanding before priming
You need to sand way beyond the area that is going to get primed with some P600. I usually mark the place that needs to get filler and the wash and wet sand the whole panel. And the do the filler work.

You are going to get nasty lines under the paint where the primer was applied if you did not do proper back sanding.
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Old May 23, 2012 | 04:20 PM
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Default Re: Door Dents and Creases. Sand down to bare metal for filler?

Any tips for hammering out dents from behind off the car??

This fender is going to need some massaging
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Old May 24, 2012 | 01:22 AM
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Default Re: Door Dents and Creases. Sand down to bare metal for filler?

Be very gentle with it and take your time!
Have a look on youtube on "slapping file". It works great!
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Old May 24, 2012 | 02:33 AM
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Default Re: Door Dents and Creases. Sand down to bare metal for filler?

Ya I was originally thinking I was going to replace the fender but my car is jdm so a jdm replacement would be super expensive or I buy USDM and cut my owm marker hole

I fugre its just best since my fender isnt TO bad that I repair it, but its got 2 nice 1/2" deep dents, just hope I can form and find the oem honda shape again
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