Ok I have a high compression b20b 9:6:1
But I'm really in a low budget, I want to upgrade my motor with either a vtec head or turbo.
My goal is to get more hp with reliability!!!! So what would be a better route?
Remember my motor has stock internals
And of course I know it's mostly going to be all up to the tune.
But the main question above all is what are the least mods to do each one?
If I go vtec or turbo..
Thank you...

 

vtec is ur best way because boost cost a crap load and b20 side walls are kina weak

 

They are both costly to do correct you can find turbo kits as cheap as 1500 for quality stuff and building a b20v you will need to balance your rotating assembly and all that plus parts. And there's a saying choose two fast/reliable/cheap which ever you choose the other two isnt. So what's your budget ?

 

Says who? The sidewalls are not any weaker than any other b-series motor.

Both ls/vtec and turbo require quite a bit of work and money, about the same amount. Neither is easier than the other.

Making power all-motor is always going to cost more than boosting, no matter what.

 

Seriously? I don't know why people dump money into cars when they can't even afford quality parts in the first place. Save up and drive it stock until then.

 

Missed that part, I agree 100% if you don't have the money to do it right, then dont even attempt it that's how people blow up their cars and then wonder what happened.. you need $1500 to do either correctly.

 

of course they are. the b18c block is considerably stronger than a b20. the sleeves are thin in a b20 and the rods are substantially weaker than a p72 rod. there's a reason the b20 is the cheapest engine at the importers

leave it alone. the b20 is a POS motor that's extremely easy to blow up with more power. they actually have a nick name of "time bombs" around here for just that reason.

sleeve the block and build with quality parts and they are good to go. stock, you have weak rods and weak sleeves.

if you're after something like 200hp you're better off just selling it and buying a 2500 dollar jdm itr motor. if you spend a grand on a decent vtec top end you'll still have a bottom end that will come apart with those kind of rpms in the long term.

boost you can't touch correctly under 3000 or so

 

this

 

I am going to put quality parts if needed
So far I know that one thing from the block that needs upgrade is the rod bolts. Like arp.
And I'm not cheeping out! I'm only trying to make it.. Well kind 'stock'' if you know what I mean. No upgraded pistons or anything like that.

 

Totally Agree.

This is why we have ricers....

 

What is so ricer about the topic.
That dude is way off of what I'm saying.

I'm not spending on cheap parts!

 

So far I'm going to buy
B16 head and get it resurfaced
Arp rods bolts and Head studs.
Golden eagle vtec kit.
And an ecu chipped and TUNED!!!!
is that ok?
I only want to buy the necessary parts

 

add up the money

chipped ecu $200
tune $350
arp rod bolts $70
GE vtec kit $?
head studs $150
b16 head that isn't a POS $500
cams $ .......
intake manifold $350
TB $100
total without the GE kit, re size rods or buying cams $ 1720

jdm itr engine with ecu $2500-2700 shipped to your door

which one will be more reliable, have more resale and be less effort

think it out,, sell your b20 for what you can get, add your money, buy an R and maintain value.

you put 1800-2000 in a b20 you will still have weak rods, an engine that isn't balanced for **** and no resale.

you can buy that R engine, drive it 2 years and still get 2 grand or more for it

 

Where in the world do you buy your type r motors dude???
Really, because last I checked they go for $4000 or more!!!!!!!
Hmotors online sells them for more!

 

i bought this one last month

http://www.ebay.com/itm/110833608153...t_12475wt_1060

very solid outfit that compression tests their engines before they ship. this one here has 255psi in each hole warm, also had that exedy stage 1 clutch and exedy flywheel bolted on it. cost a total of $2700 delivered to my door

$4000 will get you a full swap, not just an engine

we're just talking engines though. also keep in mind any changes in the iacv valve, gaskets, machine work, the whole 9. to do a vtec conversion on that b20 half way right and with decent parts you'll be in it 2000.....just add up parts ya know.

if you sell your b20 for 400, add that 2000 you're within spitting distance of an R motor. oem timing belt for that is $50 and you're ready to go. the other parts like the cap, rotor, wires, plugs etc you can change at leisure

i'm just saying it's similar money and that R engine will have a lot more resale and be a lot more reliable

 

Yeah your right. If anything I would go type r all the way since the beginning.
Idk though, type r's get stolen down here in LA like no ones business.
And I thought b20v would be cheaper than that.
Well my best bet would just be a b16. Faster to get and pretty cheap.

 

cost to benefit ratio. if you get the b16 cheap enough it could be an option. stock gsr could be another one if you find a slick deal and can get a gsr engine for $1200. i've seen it more than once. not common but possible.

b20v can be done cheap but you have to be really connected with parts and the tuning. if you pay regular craigslist and ebay prices....well..you probably wrote it all out by now. lot more spendy than you expected huh?

can't say i blame you with the R. if the wrong people got wind of you having one your car would be a major theft target

 

I'm not going to lie. But the b20 is a good dd with that extra tourqe.
But is it faster than a b16? I have the ls tranny on my b20

 

got me, the b20 has less hp but more torque. not sure if i would even bother going b16 since at best it's a mild power increase.

save your money, leave it stock and if you find a good deal on a complete gsr engine go that way. wait for some dude to wreck his car and part it on craigslist. that's one way to stay cheap.

 

or you can swap to a better tranny for now. it'll be a night and day difference with your b20. with the ls trans, it must be a dog. you're gonna wanna upgrade the tranny in the future anyways. a high comp b20 with a short geared tranny is a decent combo. i was super happy with mine. but if i didn't have a y1 trans, i know it would have been disappointing. maybe think about trying that out. keeping it simple makes for less opportunity of failure as well.
but yea, considering the cost of parts, time and effort, i'd rather go with an r as mentioned

 

that's a thought. b16 transmission runs about 450 when available and a nice R box is 1000, either one of those would make the car a lot more peppy

 

But aren't b16 bad for mpg?
I mean they have really short gearing and with the b20 that revs up to 6200
It would top out too fast!
I get what both of you are saying though.. It would be faster with shorter gearing+tourqe

 

people say that but i didn't experience it. at first i had an itr engine on a gsr transmission. got about 300-340 miles per tank

got an itr transmission new from acura, mileage didn't change one iota

now on my 4th motor. still using that itr transmission

as for being too short for 6200? well, depends on how fast you plan on going. you would get there a lot quicker. i'm about 3500 going down the freeway.

personally....if i were you

i would leave what you have alone, OR do an itr engine or itr engine swap. like all the mods you can do to your b20 will rack up cash, then not add **** to your resale. the nice thing about itr swaps and why i have always used them is the resale. very easy to get off of type r stuff. everyone wants it

 

Yeah but those motors you have are ment to rev high.
With the b20b I would be like at 4700 doing 80mph on 5th.
And if I had an itr tranny.. Well you can forget that, I would be like at 5000+ on 5th doing 80mph
With the b20 I'm 2000 to 3000 rpm's shorter than any other vtec motor
Maybe it would be ok with an ls since it revs to 7000

 

Bottom line, i would be going trough gears like no one business
On top of that I would probably be putting stress on the motor revving high like that on the freeway. And maybe loosing mpg.