Hey everyone. I have a 95 del sol si with a b16 obd1 swap. The ecu is tuned on CHROME but im not sure if its chipped or not because i have only had the car for about a week. If i was to get it tuned on hondata or neptune would i HAVE to have a chip in it and can i get a p30 ecu tuned on hondata or neptune. Also if i was to get it tuned...would i need s300 or s200 all i have is bolt ons. I dont plan on running anything else i just want a smoother running vehicle (i.e launch control, rev limit, idle better, fuel to air.) Thanks for the help

 

FYI, it's crome. That said, crome is a tuning software just like hondata or neptune. Ask whoever will be tuning it what they're most familiar tuning.

 

I believe I am going to take it to Powell to the shop that does tuning. But would I need s200 or s300?

 

don't ask us, do your own home work. go to hondata's web site and do some research. yes, if your ecu is running crome it is chipped and socketed.

for what you have crome will be just fine, sounds like you have a base map and it needs some fine tuning.

 

Well I've done research on it but im very confused about how it works. I appreciate your dickish comment about not asking the honda-tech forums. But im pretty sure that's what they are here for is so people don't spend money that they don't have too...

 

Not what they are here for. You got your answer in post #2.

You can't fine tune a basemap using CROME that is already burned onto a chip if you have no chip burner, or CROME Pro license, to do it. Call the tuner and ask his advice since they will be doing the tune. Don't ask us.

IMO on a stock engine a basemap is sufficient. It would be an a waste to drop $400-$500 on tuning gear with no real mods done to the engine then another 5 bills to get it tuned. That's right. You could spend near $1,000 or more to get tuned the right way. If you don't need to go this route stick with your basemap and go do some real research. Unless you got one of those bunk Ebay chips then you need to contact Phearable to get a proper basemap burned onto a chip.

 

How do I get rid of the terrible *** start up, ramping, and terrible idling then?? If I was to keep chrome then how can I get all that fixed?

 

Get a better basemap if the issues were caused from the basemap. Contact Phearable about getting one. It might have been mapped with CROME but you are not running CROME. You are simply running a chip that was PROGRAMMED using CROME.

If the issues are ECU independent then troubleshoot them separately.

 

Ok I just need to give him a call and find out. Thanks for the advice. I will find out what is going on with the stupid thing. Also isn't possible that running just the basemap without the tune can mess my engine up really bad??

 

its also not a STOCK engine. It is running crower cams with a compression of 11:1

 

You really need to mention these things up front. If you want to keep adding important info after the fact no one can advise you properly.

 

I apologize...But yes it has headers, 68mm throttle body, intake manifold, crower cams, cai, and a few other things. Running 11:1 compression, b16 obd1 swap running at crome and also running like TOTAL ****. Ramping, running rich, bad idling, and extremely rough start when first started, dies about 3 times until i can give it some gas and get the rpms up for a little. I believe i have covered everything...also its a p30

 

If your check engine light is on, check the codes & resolve them all.
If you don't know how to check your codes, go to http://www.phearable.net/tech

 

My check engine light is not on. It has only come on one time when i hit rev limit.

 

Check to make sure that the tip of your intake air temperature sensor is not melted/damaged in the intake manifold. Also check to make sure that the plug running to the IAT sensor has a red & a green wire running to it.

If that all looks good, you may want to try another basemap chip.

 

All that is fine. I believe its just the basemap

 

... so you're running a built engine on a "basemap", not an actual tune? scary. do you at least have a wide band o2 sensor to monitor your a/f ratios? and i wasn't being a dick i was telling the truth. i can "tell" you what to do all day, but if joe ricer says something different (and possibly wrong) you could take his answer over mine and then wonder why you ish messed up, as apposed to researching for your self, calling a tuning shop or two and then making an educated guess based on what you researched as apposed to what people tell you. brings back the whole "if joe jumped off a bridge would you do it?" question your mom would ask you when you were little.

any ways sounds like a bunch of things are messed up.

have you tried using a stock obd1 ecu from any other civic/integra to see if your start up issues go away?

example, i'm running a chipped p28 using crome with a b16 base map. starts up like a stock car would, just runs a tad rich.

i'd start with the basics, make sure your IACV is clean and functioning, all wiring is in good condition, same with sensors, and that you're not throwing any codes. then go from there

 

DCRB: I have not tried using a stock ecu. And yes I suppose you could say I am running a "built" engine on a baseman. Its also not throwing any codes at all. I also have no clue at all if im running a wide band o2 sensor but I can tell you that im running rich. Idk what an IACV is but im having idling problem, starting problems, a/f ratio problem, and it also ramps alot. What should I do? Should I take my p30 with a crome basemap and just get it chipped and tuned on hondata or should I buy a new chip and get a chrome tune put on it or what??

 

Call up the tuner guy that I told you about. He doesn't have a dyno but he can street tune it for you. He's going to tell you to get a Hondata unit because that's what he's familiar with.

I found another shop south of here that actually has a more fully equipped shop but I cannot remember the name of it now. You're still going to need a good basemap to get you to the tuners.

Edit.
Found them
Fastech Motorsports
1608 Topside RD.
Louisville, TN 3777

Phone. 865-233-0598


I corresponded with a guy by the name of Mark by email.
http://www.fastechimportperformance.com/fastechhome.htm

 

I will call both of them Monday morning and find out if either of them will tune up the baseman that im running on my p30. Thank you for all the searching you have done!

 

If you have a socketed ECU your best upgrade option is Neptune with a Moates Demon. Easy to install and an excellent tuning platform, also relatively less expensive than an S300. the S200 is obsolete and total garbage, Crome is better than the S200.
Otherwise you have to desolder the socket and install S300 pins, most likely destroying the ECU in the process even for most skilled solderers. That's my $0.02

 

Thank you for your advice Vegas!

 

Well i just off the phone with Edge Automotive and they told me to tune the ecu and put a NEW basemap with the ticks all out also on crome would be 100$ does this sound right or???

 

I would not advise this on a car with 11:1 CR. Even having just a basemap scares me a little, what he needs is a full tune.

OP, don't spend $100 for another basemap. Running on just a basemap is what you're trying to fix in the first place. Ask them how much a dyno tune will cost. It should be in the neighborhood of $500.

Also, I agree with Vegas on the Moates Demon/Neptune combo. Download the Neptune software and play around with it a little before you buy though, just to get familiar: http://www.hrtuning.com/software/Nep...P%20011912.zip

 

but can they dyno tune with a stock p30 or just a chipped p30 on a crome basemap?

also it would be pointless for me to mess with tuning software. I wouldnt know where to begin nor would i even know what to do..