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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 07:26 PM
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I going to slowly start building my motor pretty soon. Since everything in the block is brand new and has a few upgrades I'm gonna just do I/H/E, Bisimoto Level 2 ZC cams, cam gears and most likely their spring and retainer set. Hoping for 150+ (I'm shooting for ~160ish tuned). First thing to be done will be a clutch and most likely a 10 lb flywheel. I'm thinking about maybe an ACT clutch? Recommendations? (brand & stage)
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 07:47 PM
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if your hp goals is only 150-160, you wont need anything bigger than a stage 2
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 08:02 PM
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Ya i wasn't planning on going any higher than stage 2. Any you would recommend?
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 09:20 PM
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Go big or go home, LSD motorsports stage 3 unsprung....

Same price as your girly clutch, you pick one up for 250$
Never have to worry about clutch slip again and you might even gain some muscles in your leg.

I run a 185whp ZC and I run unsprung 6 puck all day long.

First time I bought a clutch it was a centerforce dual friction, and I tried to do a second gear burnout one night and fried it.
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 10:46 PM
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Not a bad price, ill put it into consideration. May i ask what youve done to your ZC?
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 10:50 PM
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Are you strapping slicks to this thing or strictly street?
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 06:14 AM
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When shopping for a clutch, it's not hp to be concerned with as much as it is tq rating. A stock replacement should be just fine for an i/h/e/tuned ZC. And you get to keep the chicken leg.
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 06:27 AM
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you can always tell the guy who went overboard on his clutch when he weighs 165lbs yet has the left leg of a roid freak
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 07:12 AM
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Stick to a Exedy Stage 1. It took years of abuse from my sprayed B16 and built B20vtec and now resides on my brother's B16 with plenty of life left.
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 07:52 AM
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Are you strapping slicks to this thing or strictly street?
Strictly street. And i had been looking at Exedy because i know their clutch systems are good. Im basically just looking for the best bang for my buck.
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I have tried many clutches for my DOHC ZC and just recently found one that I love. It is the Action brand clutch. It is a 6 puck with a sprung hub. I got it through bisimoto's website. It is 350 dollars and rated for about 500 ft/lbs. It is smooth enough for take off that I can't complain and doesn't feel like it is going to break my driveline the way the my Exedy stage 2 felt.
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http://bisimoto.com/store/index.php?...h=5_9_50_44_49
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I have tried many clutches for my DOHC ZC and just recently found one that I love. It is the Action brand clutch. It is a 6 puck with a sprung hub. I got it through bisimoto's website. It is 350 dollars and rated for about 500 ft/lbs. It is smooth enough for take off that I can't complain and doesn't feel like it is going to break my driveline the way the my Exedy stage 2 felt.
500 ft/lb rating seems a little unnecessary for my build though.
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 08:34 AM
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When shopping for a clutch, it's not hp to be concerned with as much as it is tq rating. A stock replacement should be just fine for an i/h/e/tuned ZC. And you get to keep the chicken leg.
Well its basically gonna have a built head. I was thinking about just doing a stock replacement but was unsure if it will handle the setup
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 08:39 AM
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man everytime i on bisimoto's site my old lady starts screaming at me about money.... whats up with that?
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Exedy Stock replacement will be fine. I'm currently using the Hydro B-Series version on my B20Vtec, and before I retired her last week, it had no problem holding the power with big sticky tires.
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 10:04 AM
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I going to slowly start building my motor pretty soon. Since everything in the block is brand new and has a few upgrades I'm gonna just do I/H/E, Bisimoto Level 2 ZC cams, cam gears and most likely their spring and retainer set. Hoping for 150+ (I'm shooting for ~160ish tuned)
not to burst your bubble, but with just the I/H/E and cams, you are probably looking at somewhere around 135 whp
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 10:28 AM
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not to burst your bubble, but with just the I/H/E and cams, you are probably looking at somewhere around 135 whp
Not to burst your bubble, but you're wrong. Maybe if your sh*t is set up completely retarded. A stock, fresh ZC makes about 110-115 whp. With those upgrades and a good tune, i have no doubts that i can hit at least 150.
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by .Manny.
Exedy Stock replacement will be fine. I'm currently using the Hydro B-Series version on my B20Vtec, and before I retired her last week, it had no problem holding the power with big sticky tires.
I think this is what i will go with. Reasonable price and i dont see any reason why it wouldnt be sufficient
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 11:00 AM
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Not to burst your bubble, but you're wrong. Maybe if your sh*t is set up completely retarded. A stock, fresh ZC makes about 110-115 whp. With those upgrades and a good tune, i have no doubts that i can hit at least 150.
we have been working with and building and dynoing these DOHC ZCs since 1999 and i can tell you for a fact that you will not get 150whp with I/H/E and stage 2 camshafts - you will be lucky to get 135 - fresh stock DOHC ZCs with I/H/E will dyno between 115-120whp (most we have ever seen is 122) - stage 2 cams will not give you 30-35whp - ain't gonna happen - our DOHC ZC is completely stock except for stage 4 camshafts and running dual Weber carbs, dyno tuned and only makes 150whp
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 11:17 AM
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we have been working with and building and dynoing these DOHC ZCs since 1999 and i can tell you for a fact that you will not get 150whp with I/H/E and stage 2 camshafts - you will be lucky to get 135 - fresh stock DOHC ZCs with I/H/E will dyno between 115-120whp (most we have ever seen is 122) - stage 2 cams will not give you 30-35whp - ain't gonna happen - ours is completely stock with exception of stage 4 camshafts and running dual Weber carbs, dyno tuned and only makes 150whp
Then you're doing something wrong. I've seen people pull 140+ on stock internals. I understand you have been doing this since 1999, but you should be able to pull some more power out of those motors. They are rated at 130 or 135 hp at the crank from the factory. 15% power loss from crank to wheels and that puts you at 110-115. If you're making that power with upgrades, you're definitely doing it wrong. With I/H/E and a tune you should easily be able to hit 130.
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 12:34 PM
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Um, JLI knows his ****, as he is one of the top ZC resources (and is always helpful).

And I'd have to agree with him; your expectations do seem to be a bit inflated. If you can get those results, great, but don't be too disappointed if you don't.

I have Bisi cams (Stage 1, though), and really like them. However, plan to be on top of them if you do order a pair - they have a habit of dropping their customers into a black hole when they have their money. Web has just about the same grind (Bisi uses Web for manufacturing them), and they tend to be more helpful, so think about them as well when you're doing your research.
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 12:49 PM
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Um, JLI knows his ****, as he is one of the top ZC resources (and is always helpful).

And I'd have to agree with him; your expectations do seem to be a bit inflated. If you can get those results, great, but don't be too disappointed if you don't.

I have Bisi cams (Stage 1, though), and really like them. However, plan to be on top of them if you do order a pair - they have a habit of dropping their customers into a black hole when they have their money. Web has just about the same grind (Bisi uses Web for manufacturing them), and they tend to be more helpful, so think about them as well when you're doing your research.
I don't doubt that he knows what hes doing, but still, ive seen people put out a lot better numbers than that. Maybe better tuning? idk. I'd honestly just be happy with a good improvement. But i feel that with the right set up, i can hit 150. 35 whp over what they should be making stock doesn't seem out of reach at all.
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 12:56 PM
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I have a stage 2 clutch and a an Si trans on my dohc zc and it is nice for DDing. Exedy is fine even a stage 1 would probably be enough for a mostly stock zc. Although I was used to a stock d15b2 so anything is an improvement.
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I don't doubt that he knows what hes doing, but still, ive seen people put out a lot better numbers than that. Maybe better tuning? idk. I'd honestly just be happy with a good improvement. But i feel that with the right set up, i can hit 150. 35 whp over what they should be making stock doesn't seem out of reach at all.
35whp is like 45 crank horsepower at like a 22% drivetrain loss. Sorry bro, your ZC won't gain that from an intake, header, and exhaust. This isn't a V8. You'll be lucky to see 15 to 20 above stock. You also don't have the RPM range to make more than that.

Welcome to owning a Honda D series.
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