no, this is not for the "race car look". this is for a HPDE car with future hopes of running in TT...

where can you find the front canards for an EG civic? yes, i've googled and searched here - all i can come up with is the carbon fiber J's racing, or some gaudy other stuff...

all i'm looking for is a bit of increased front downforce. yes, a splitter will be in the future, but i'm starting small with these...

any help is appreciated.

 

A good solid splitter and air dam will crush these little canards on performance.Trust me. Mounting very solid made canards on the sides of an EG bumper are useless because it will flex the entire corner of the bumper and be flimsy, unless you mounted some bracketry behind the bumper and solidify this area.

Just like how I build my splitters, if you can't lean heavily/stand on them without them breaking they will not do a thing but look pretty. Air has a lot of power at speed this is why I stand on my splitter to test them and ensure they will push the car down and not just flex and flap under the air flow.

 

i always thought canards were mainly used for vortex not downforce.

 

:QFT: yea you dont need those kannards dont do any good at all.

Like Justin says.. if you cant stand on the splitter... its not strong enough!
I can stand on mine, and it holds my 190lb body!

 

just reading all the sites that feature the J's version - supposedly generate 50-80lbs... but i really don't believe everything i read...

 

If there was CFD data like on the wing I use - http://www.aprperformance.com/index....sk=view&id=181 - Then possibly I would believe they work if mounted with a solid support, but they do not work unless you mount them solidly like an Audi Le mans Prototype has them. A proper splitter and air-dam is cheaper and more effective for what you are wanting to do.

 

again - not doubting anyone. thanks for the good input.

i won't be reinforcing my bumper - so i guess a splitter will be my only option.

 

dirty i wanna test how strong your splitter is lol. im like 350ish.

 

I think we'd have to build an extra extra beefy one for you!

 

quoted again, needs to be.


what is he creating vortex for? a wing that is not present and if so, isn't developed properly.

mostly anything that creates some sort of drag is creating lift in a given direction.


also, to the op, canards will be points, a splitter will be points. figure out the car "mechanically" speaking first, then worry about "aero" points later, if needed.

 

i love slim jims, twin pack!!

 

HA! does you splitter have support beams that come down from the unibody rails? where you can take the bumper off and the splitter stays...

 

Yes you can take off the bumper/air dam and the splitter stays.
I always remove my splitter, air dam and bumper to put it on the trailer.

You can buy them here.
http://www.specialprojectsms.com/per...d-effects.html

This is what it looks like on car.

 

ive seen their splitter on their site installed on the cars but they have no other picture with the bumper off or just a picture of wats included in the package.

 

It attaches with the two brackets pictured that bolt up to the front tow points.

The airdam is held in place with the bumper and spring clips on the blade.
Its a very tight fit.

 

I make these myself with a heavy gauge steel airdam, my car is utilizing Special Projects brackets. I have also make my own brackets for other peoples cars when I made a setup. Easily removable to get the car on the trailer. If You want a setup let me know. I also make the brake ducts as well as the steel mesh grilles.

 

Looks very good JW racing.

I got to STOP looking at all this... Making me want to build a track car.

 

I agree with these fellas that if you want to make stuff functional you have to mount solid to the frame of the car. On our latest project we just made a seperate aluminum frame that the splitter and winglets brace too. Makes it very strong and still easy to remove.





Zack

 

^^Like a Sir!!!
LOL
What fenders are those??


JW pm me some more info on your brackets and other stuff.


My only problem I see with making my own splitter is making the wood or whatever I use to look uniform to the bumper. Lol.
Never been that good with shapes.

 

The fenders are ChargeSpeed.

The bumper shape is simple, just unbolt the bumper and trace around it! Make a rough cut with a jigsaw or sawzall and then smooth it out with a grinder.

Zack

 

doing a bit of reinforcement to run canards isn't to hard especially if your already building a proper support set up for the splitter.

Just got this custom set up from VE, (used on the Buddy Club Thailand DC5)



Works great however it a front end accident caused a bit of damage haha. Tons of different material to use just remember to properly reinforce everything.

 

I was always told that most canards are added to move air over and around the tire during cornering to prevent it from creating a high pressure zone on top of the wheel and also to stop drag. Just my thoughts on the topic.

 

How can a cannard move air around a tire when the bumper is in front of the tire?

It might push air alone the side of the car when positioned correctly.
Determining the correct position would be better served by testing in a wind tunnel, but unfortunately for our application its too flimsy and you'll get more flex even if re-enforced to help us any on track for what we do.
These devices are used on hi performance cars because they are traveling twice or more faster than say freeway speeds. say 140 mph or even greater.
Simply we dont go fast enough to take advantage of any benefit from devices like this.
Now if you have a 1200hp plus dedicated TA car like Chris Rado, areo like this is an absolute must, and in his case a necessity.

 

Totally agree with JW Racing with the above.

A proper bolt-on air dam and splitter, like the P1 from Kiwi, are outstanding and built for the job. Sub 140mph, a larger surface area would be needed to be effective which you do not get with running only canards and no splitter.

My 2 bits.

 

Im just going off of experienced word from the track, i see a bunch of aero bolted onto cars and people still seem to think the air presses down to create downforce. hence a bunch of improperly mounted canards and such.