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Old Feb 15, 2012 | 03:35 AM
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i have a honda civic EG with B16 swap on it, i just wanted to see the guys opinion about what mods to make on the car to make it fast but at the same time to keep it street able, i want to bring the maximum power out of it, but at the same time can drive it daily or in weekends without any problems, please who ever can help me please list me a full list of the needed things.

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Old Feb 15, 2012 | 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Qatar s2000
i have a honda civic EG with B16 swap on it, i just wanted to see the guys opinion about what mods to make on the car to make it fast but at the same time to keep it street able, i want to bring the maximum power out of it, but at the same time can drive it daily or in weekends without any problems, please who ever can help me please list me a full list of the needed things.

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Need more info...what kind of budget and goals? Plus good luck with a B16 swap, would be better off to go lsv or b20v. B16's lack the torque you'll end up needing.
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Old Feb 15, 2012 | 04:55 AM
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first i would work on the head.. cams, valvetrain etc
get some ctr pistons and get a 4.7fd. should help out pretty good and keep reliability
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Old Feb 15, 2012 | 05:19 AM
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budget is it not an issue as long i can drive it in the streets
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Old Feb 15, 2012 | 07:19 AM
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Then why are you even asking? Just give Spoon (or insert some great Honda engine builder) a call and send a blank check. You will have exactly what you want then. A 1,200whp Honda can be made street legal and drive every weekend as well as the 70hp options readily available.

What are your exact goals/budget. Saying "max power" and streetability means nothing. If you want somebody to list a bunch of the most expensive parts - well you can do that research too.
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Old Feb 15, 2012 | 07:49 AM
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i would love to see someone street a 1200hp fwd honda.

get a b20 block. do some reasearch. be done with it.
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Old Feb 15, 2012 | 07:50 AM
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You need to be a lot more specific with your goals and what the car is going to be used for (Drag? Road Racing?).
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Old Feb 15, 2012 | 10:16 AM
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NA street daily drevin car and am think around 250hp-300hp
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Old Feb 15, 2012 | 10:31 AM
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NA street daily drevin car and am think around 250hp-300hp
H2b with decent amount of work .... and your not gonna wanna daily drive 300 whp in a Honda allmotor , it will get old fast , the only way I would say is j32 swap or k frankinstein would make The daily driving less painful
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i would love to see someone street a 1200hp fwd honda.
Me too - but with today's definition of "streetable", this could just mean it's "plateable"; or maybe able to be driven down the block and back. Some people even consider a weekend only vehicle streetable. To me it's something that could be driven every day and for long distances.

OP - You need to start researching H and K series engines if your goal is to truly stay N/A.

My favorite is when idiotic people say I want to be N/A - then ask how big of a "shot" can their engine handle.

Unless you look into some type of power adder for the power you want to be at, I hope you have as deep of pockets as you say you do.
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Old Feb 15, 2012 | 01:33 PM
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NA street daily drevin car and am think around 250hp-300hp
With a B16? HA! Never gonna happen.


Get yourself a B20 or B18a/b block and pay a shop to build it, as it seems you don't have the skills to do it yourself.
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Old Feb 15, 2012 | 01:57 PM
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budget is it not an issue as long i can drive it in the streets
Got a friend making 285 on a stock sleeves, stock crank and stock head cast with a High compression forged k24 block/ k20 head with drag cartel stage 4's and supporting mods. If budget isn't an issue obvious thing to go with is k-series. Ill post a rundown of his setup.

k24a4 block
87 mm supertech 13:2 pistons
H-beam rods
oem bearings clearenced
oem k20a oil pump nd baffle
k20a oilpan
k20a oil cooler
golden eagle head studs
oem head gasket

head .. prb-1 z1
full supertech dual vavle spings
Drag cartel stag 4's
stock vavles ..

xcessive intake mani ported runners 53 mm
q45 tb custom 4 inch intake with 4 inch v stack
hybrid header with full 3 inch mandrel bent exhaust.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFq5wuFVa5o

Made 35x and 3xxtrq on a 60 shot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg2DTYt9luY

Very Very streetable setup.
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Old Feb 15, 2012 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Qatar s2000
NA street daily drevin car and am think around 250hp-300hp
Pays to play...if you want 250-300 n/a street driven. Better look into a rebuild every year
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Old Feb 15, 2012 | 01:59 PM
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Turbo b16.....done. perfect match if you ask me. Very much can be a DD.
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Old Feb 15, 2012 | 07:11 PM
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actually it's my friends car and am trying my best with him to let him install a turbo but he doesn't want to for that i was asking here about the B16 because he's not planning to change it. and his targets is to beat some of the cars in the streets. thats it.
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Old Feb 15, 2012 | 07:18 PM
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buy an NSX
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Old Feb 15, 2012 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Qatar s2000
actually it's my friends car and am trying my best with him to let him install a turbo but he doesn't want to for that i was asking here about the B16 because he's not planning to change it. and his targets is to beat some of the cars in the streets. thats it.
With a B16, he won't be beating anybody. Maybe a 3 cylinder GEO metro, but that's about it.
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Old Feb 15, 2012 | 09:53 PM
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With a B16, he won't be beating anybody. Maybe a 3 cylinder GEO metro, but that's about it.
Harsh..
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Old Feb 16, 2012 | 11:25 AM
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Harsh, but truthful lol. B16's aren't worth putting money into. The only thing worth keeping/building, is the head and putting it on an LS or B20 bottom end.
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Old Feb 16, 2012 | 08:48 PM
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we will see whats goingto happen but mostly i will make him go with a turbo option
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Old Feb 16, 2012 | 09:23 PM
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Harsh, but truthful lol. B16's aren't worth putting money into. The only thing worth keeping/building, is the head and putting it on an LS or B20 bottom end.
or turbocharging. that's why I kept my B16 spare engine. I can clean it up and make it a nice little turbo squirrel
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Old Feb 16, 2012 | 10:50 PM
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^^ true that. A little positive pressure will bring anything to life, especially an engine that flows as well as that.
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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 09:07 AM
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i would love to see someone street a 1200hp fwd honda.
Chris Miller did it when he cracked his intake manifold. Drove it from the track and I forget how many miles to a shop so it could be welded. Even stopped at 7-11 with it haha.
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Old Feb 18, 2012 | 05:52 PM
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Ive been dding my 250hp set up for 40,000 miles and it still getting faster so i wouldnt say it needs a rebuild every year . Hell im not even sure what it makes any more last time i had it on a dyno years ago it was 252hp and its on a h tranny not h2b so thats pretty good. But everybodys points are valid this thread is useless with out more info and a 250hp plus motor is going to cost you 5,000 and up no matter what motor you go with good luck with your build . Best budget build h2b ,shave the head to get the compression up and run pro 2s . 250hp can be made that way ,very streetable and as cheap as it can be done na.
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Old Feb 19, 2012 | 04:25 AM
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Chris Miller did it when he cracked his intake manifold. Drove it from the track and I forget how many miles to a shop so it could be welded. Even stopped at 7-11 with it haha.
lol i saw the video. twin disk in traffic must be a bitch.

seriously, 250-300hp is very very attainable on a stock b16 with a small to mid sized turbo. i tuned 3 stock block b16s last summer for some of my friends they are all great fun on the street. the only mods i would do to the engine are new oem hg with arp headstuds and upgrade to gsr cams. they are cheap and a very nice bump up from b16 cams which honestly suck,

if you want to go n/a for sure, it seems that people are making great power very reliably out of k series engines. im going to do that for my daily driver in the next few years
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