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Old Feb 11, 2012 | 04:15 AM
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2 motors listed for each cam on gains or deficiencies

1st motor

Stock d16z6

2nd motor

D16z6
oem springs retainers
Comp Cams 59100
mild port and polish z6 head
portmatched z6 intake
portmatched z6 exhaust
SC7125 CP pistons (11 to 1)
eagle rods
lightened crank (-6 lbs +1/2-)
fidanza flywheel



Ill start listing cams - please exeriance with the cams - no flaming. comparison of duration, lift, vtec, exhaust, centerline

All are n/a cams (if oem values are listed for cams, information has not been received)
Stock z6(from crower)___________Primary lift/Duraion .xxx@xxx int .xxx@xxx exh_______Seondary lift/duration .394@212 int .373@204 exh
Blox Stg 1_______250___________Primary lift/Duraion .xxx@184 int .213@212 exh_______Seondary lift/duration .255@234 int .213@212 exh
Cams gave Lobe Lift, not valve lift at .05________________________________estimated Seondary lift/duration .406@234 int .385@212 exh
Blox Stg 2_______250___________Primary lift/Duraion .xxx@188 int .240@217 exh_______Seondary lift/duration .268@242 int .240@217 exh
Cams gave Lobe Lift, not valve lift at .05________________________________estimated Seondary lift/duration .430@242 int .430@217 exh
Crower Stock Replacement_______Primary lift/Duraion .328@197 int .365@207 exh_______Seondary lift/duration .389@220 int .365@207 exh
Crower stg 1_____329___________Primary lift/Duraion .328@197 int .385@208 exh_______Seondary lift/duration .406@228 int .385@208 exh
Crower stg 2_____329___________Primary lift/Duraion .328@197 int .427@217 exh_______Seondary lift/duration .430@234 int .427@217 exh
Crower stg 2_3/4 Race__________Primary lift/Duraion .328@197 int .436@223 exh_______Seondary lift/duration .432@235 int .436@223 exh
OBX stg1________169.99________Primary lift/Duraion .xxx@xxx int .xxx@xxx exh_______Seondary lift/duration .xxx@xxx int .xxx@xxx exh
Bisi cams measured at .04 lift for duration
Bisi 1___________349___________Primary lift/Duraion .xxx@xxx int .410@230 exh_______Seondary lift/duration .390@230 int .410@230 exh
Bisi 1.2__________349___________Primary lift/Duraion .xxx@xxx int .411@206 exh_______Seondary lift/duration .417@233 int .411@206 exh
Bisi 2___________349___________Primary lift/Duraion .xxx@xxx int .420@225 exh_______Seondary lift/duration .420@246 int .420@225 exh
Bisi 2.3_Nitrous___349___________Primary lift/Duraion .xxx@xxx int .427@234 exh_______Seondary lift/duration .420@246 int .427@234 exh
CompCams59100__269___________Primary lift/Duraion .xxx@xxx int .400@210 exh_______Seondary lift/duration .440@214 int .400@210 exh
CompCams59300__269___________Primary lift/Duraion .xxx@xxx int .430@216 exh_______Seondary lift/duration .455@220 int .430@216 exh

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Old Feb 11, 2012 | 12:10 PM
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What are you looking for exactly? If you want the specs, each of the manufacturers should have them posted or can send them to you. Every cam is designed for a specific purpose; you haven't told us what you are using this motor for: dd, drag only, auto-x, etc.
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Old Feb 11, 2012 | 03:15 PM
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What are you looking for..pm me
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 07:12 PM
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im looking for real world experience with the cams. and trying to justify why it works well for what i have.. these are the cams i have found, and comparison of duration, lift, vtec, exhaust, centerline mean nothing unless i can compare the cam side by side.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 07:18 PM
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found this as well

http://psytronix.org/engine/local_co...camshafts.html
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 07:31 PM
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Depends on what type of things you are looking for.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 07:44 PM
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Ill be using it for some 1/8 and 1/4 mile drag along with a good bit of autox. have a few of these motors and looking for options.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by xero_xero
Ill be using it for some 1/8 and 1/4 mile drag along with a good bit of autox. have a few of these motors and looking for options.
I make you a custom D series cam for that price lol..
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 07:49 PM
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stock z6 - make some monster torque around 4k, have acam profile lined up? billet or regrind, have plenty of cores..
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 07:54 PM
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PM.
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Old Feb 16, 2012 | 09:34 PM
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From Crower

Go to crower.com

Click on pdf catalog….


David "DJ" Hernandez

CROWER RACING CAMS AND EQUIPMENT

6180 BUSINESS CENTER CT.

SAN DIEGO CA, 92154

dj@crower.com

Ph: 619-690-7831

Fax:619-661-6466

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To: contactus
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Name: Clayton Ward

E-mail: cward4325@gmail.com

Telephone: 6785683113

Comment: Concerning the camshaft produced for the D16z6. i am looking for the “plot” or a lift plot for the Stage 1 and Stage 2 cams
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Old Feb 16, 2012 | 09:35 PM
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From comp Cams camshaft recomendation

For your 1.6 I would look at cam part number 59100. Duration @ .050 215/211 Lift is .441/.401 with a 103 and 111 Centerline…. This works with mostly stick components. The cost of the cam is 272.95 and I can cover shipping to the lower 48 states.



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Subject: Clayton Ward - COMPCams.com - Camshaft Recommendation Form



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Camshaft Recommendation Request
Note To Customer: The information below has been received by CAM Help� tech support. This email is for your records.
CONTACT INFORMATION

First Name:Clayton
Email:cward4325@gmail.com
Last Name:Ward
Day Phone: (8am-5pm CST)6785683113

VEHICLE INFORMATION
Make:Honda
Model:Civic
Year:1995

Weight:2000 lbs.
Axle Ratio:4.25
Transmission Type:Manual
Overall Tire Height:205/50/14
Torque Converter Stall Speed:N/A

ENGINE INFORMATION
Engine Block Type:Select Engine Block Type...
Engine Family:
Engine Size:1.6 ltr.
Number of Cylinders:4
Bore:75
Stroke:90
Compression Ratio:9
Connecting Rod Length:137mm
Intake Manifold Typeem
Cylinder Head(s) Brand:N/A
Head Runner Volume:N/A
Ported Heads:No
Intake Valve Size:N/A
Exhaust Valve Size:N/A
Rocker Arm Type:Stock
Rocker Arm Ratio:N/A
Exhaust Headers:No
RPM Range Low:500
RPM Range High:8200
Nitrous Oxide:No
Horsepower from Nitrous:N/A

COMPUTER CONTROLLED VEHICLES
Vehicle Computer Type:Stock with Chip
Speed Density Sensor:Yes
Mass Air Sensor:No

FUEL DELIVERY
Fuel Type:
Select Fuel Type
Fuel Octane Rating:93
Carburetor:No
Carburetor Size:N/A
Direct Port Injection:No
Electronic Fuel Injection:Yes
Custom Tuned:Yes

AIR DELIVERY
Turbo Charger:No
Supercharger:No
Max Boost Level:N/A

APPLICATION SPECIFICS
Application Typeerformance Street
Other Application Type:N/A
Race Class (If Applicable):N/A

VALVE TRAIN SPECIFICS
Desired Lifter Type:Solid Flat Tappet
What type of camshaft are you currently using?
Camshaft Brandem
Part Number:N/A
Specs:N/A
Considering the current peformance of your vehicle, do you need:
More Low Speed Torque?Yes
More RPM?No
Is Idling Speed Important?No
Is Emissions Compliance Important?No
Does Your Vehicle Currently Use the Following:
Air Conditioning?No
Power Steering?No
Power Brakes?Yes

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
OEM motor/head - may upgrade springs/retainers if necessary.
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Old Feb 16, 2012 | 09:44 PM
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From Blox

Clayton,

Although we do not release the actual camshaft data, I have attached each
cam spec sheet you are inquiring about. It will have all the pertinent
information you will need. If you have any other questions, please do not
hesitate to ask.



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Concerning the camshaft produced for the D16z6. i am looking for the "plot"
or a lift plot for the Stage 1 and Stage 2 cams

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Old Feb 16, 2012 | 10:38 PM
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Dude. What are you doing? It's a single cam. You and MAYBE 3 other people are the only ones who give a ****. PM AM and leave this thing to die...please.
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Old Feb 16, 2012 | 10:48 PM
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blox cam data sheet listed cam lobe lift, compared to crower int and exh respectively
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Old Feb 16, 2012 | 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by clean rice
Dude. What are you doing? It's a single cam. You and MAYBE 3 other people are the only ones who give a ****. PM AM and leave this thing to die...please.
and what you are telling me is i shouldnt share or gain any information. so this shouldnt be a forum? sounds like a communistic approach.
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Old Feb 16, 2012 | 11:07 PM
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Email to Blox rep

can i get duration at .01 for primary and vtec cam, duration ( at .05) and lift for the primary cam, and instead of lobe lift values, can oyu provide me with advertised valve lift values?
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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 07:54 AM
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All you're doing is copy/paste emails from these people, which is not only wasting space but also not "providing" any information. And what are you gonna do with a NA pump gas single cam anyway besides run a 14.6??
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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by clean rice
All you're doing is copy/paste emails from these people, which is not only wasting space but also not "providing" any information. And what are you gonna do with a NA pump gas single cam anyway besides run a 14.6??
you mean a 15.6
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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 02:01 PM
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broke 13 seconds with the setup above. and have limited slip. contacted mfactory as well, pretty displeased about comments and attitude like yours. ripped my 5th gear brace and lsd out of the b16 i have, talked to the sales rep, and i am sending them back.
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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 02:02 PM
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I pmed you back.
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Old Feb 22, 2012 | 02:52 PM
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finally got word back from blox...
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Old Feb 23, 2012 | 04:25 AM
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forgot about a company in cali that i talked to a few months ago about a cam originally. waiting on specs back from them.
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Old Feb 23, 2012 | 05:38 AM
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heres the thing. contact AM have him make you a CUSTOM cam to YOUR needs. what more could you possibly want?

it'll work to exactly what your goals are and perform as such.
don't get blox anything btw.

also its a D not that hard.
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Old Feb 23, 2012 | 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Red_Army
heres the thing. contact AM have him make you a CUSTOM cam to YOUR needs. what more could you possibly want?

it'll work to exactly what your goals are and perform as such.
don't get blox anything btw.

also its a D not that hard.
We're in talks. He's just sharing the information he thinks is important, which is fine.. its better then what most post on here anyway.

We've been talking through pms. The information he has posted is good information to know.
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