ok i want a h22a swap for my accord. i heard that there is the type s, type sh, euro-r and then the sir s spec. my question is what version of the h22a is the sir s spec from? and is the type r and euro r the same or are they differnet? can any one help me

 

The Euro R is an Accord. That came with the F20B. It's a 2.0L 200HP engine. Not a H22.

The Type S is the 220hp H22A red top. It is an ATTS engine. So if you're using it on a non-ATTS car, you will need to fabricate a half shaft plate to run a normal half shaft and trans...or run the ATTS trans and module without plugging it in. You won't have ATTS...but ATTS kinda sucks anyway. This swap is a waste of $$, BTW...unless you have an ATTS car and intend to keep ATTS.

I think that the JDM Accord Type R *might* have come with a H22...but someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't know what the SIR-S Spec is. Basically, I break it down by valve covers.

Black top H22: Non ATTS 195-200HP.
Red top H22: ATTS Type S engine. 220HP.

A black top with a mechanical LSD trans (not the ATTS trans) would probably be my choice if you were going with H22s.

 

Here's the wiki, which is fairly accurate: Honda H engine

Basically there are a couple of H series variants, only really differing in the compression ratio, cams and ATTS

Just make sure you get a 10.6:1 CR long block and an LSD trans and you'll be a happy camper. You can always pick up cams later.

 

Keep in mind that the Type S also came with a factory P&P but I'm not sure exactly re difference in the flowrate compared to the rest of them.

 

and change your username

 

Werd to every reply in here. Definitely the user name, gotta fix that sh*t.

 

i think he is trying to say (vtec h22a accord) with his user name not vtech (thank god) but yea that is a little misleading if you are posting questions about how to do the sway / what engine to use.

 

yes thats exactly what i am trying to say i know how to say it right just like every time i tried to change it it said that some one has it already.. so i had to go with vtech22aaccord which like the guy 97ludedude said it sppose to say vtec h22a accord

 

hey si speed what do you mean the type s came p&p? but what about the 11:0:1? whats the different between them two? oh and why not the atts? is it not good?

 

The 11:1 compression ratio will give you a few more horsepower [like 20 at the crank], but the type-s swap is like $3k instead of $1200-1600. Basically all you get is a couple more horse and a red valve cover.

The ATTS is a traction control system, the problem is that the block and tranny are different from the normal H22 and you need the OBD2 SH ECU to control it. The OBD2 ECU poses problems because there is no chipping hardware or software for tuning OBD2 Honda ECUs.

 

man you are freaking smart like for real i would of never known that at all. i didnt know there was so many differences between the red top h22a and the black top h22a. ok so lets say i wanna do the swap to my accord, the which one is better for me to go with? because i have seen an accord like mine with the red top h22a and the black top h22a?

 

black top, spend the extra money on mods

 

I agree with Typemismatch, the black top, a1 or a4, is much cheaper. and the h22a (jdm) red top has a higher compression, which the h series is designed for n/a, but if you ever plan on going forced induction (turbo), the black top's lower compression is better. It's not worth the extra money to go with the red top, just make sure before you do the swap you do plenty of research!

 

ok cool thanks you guys helped me a lot. ok yeah i will do plenty of research, before i actually do the swap. ok i got another question people tell me to swap the f20b sir accord into my gf 90 accord ex 2dr. But we were gonna do the h22a swap to hers because she feel in love with it but she wants to go real fast so which swap would be better for accord? like which one would put out more hp and trq for all motor? sorry for so many questions

 

F20B, H22A, H23A ... basically all the same motor with different cranks and pistons, albeit the F20 has a smaller bore.

F20 ... revs and top end power [VTEC]
H22 ... mid range and top end power, less revs [VTEC]
H23 ... low end to mid range torque, good for digging, much lower revs, less overall power than either the H22 or F20B [non-VTEC]

Someone is going to call me out on minor differences like oil squirters or the difference in the head porting or some other random BS.

So to clarify, when I say basically the same motor, I mean that most, but not all, of the internal parts are directly interchangeable and the heads can be swapped.

 

Depending on where you look, you might be able to find an f20 for a little less than an h22, now I'm not garunteeing that, but I have seen complete f20's sell for like 800 bucks. Also I think the f20 has 200 hp stock? So it's basically the same power output, "basically", as the h22. I could be wrong on the hp of the f20, Mismatch feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. And the f20 swap will have the same level of difficulty, honestly it shoulda just been called an h20, in my opinion.

 

$500-1000 for a long block is reasonable depending on the source.

Generally plan on $750-800 for a long block, plus shipping.

As far as which block you want to get, there are fans of each of the blocks, they each have their own characteristics. The H22 is the most well known and best supported, but the other blocks are just as serviceable if you're willing to do some leg work.

For your situation I would recommend staying in the comfort zone of the H22, you don't sound like you really want to get into heavy engine mods. You sound like you just want a fun swapped car that you can put I/H/E on. The H22 is that, easy, fun, well supported.

If I've read this all wrong and you're really looking at getting into the scene, and not just swapping your car for the fun factor, then you should start looking at the specs of the motors and what effect they have on performance.

 

what does your accord have in it right now? f22?
I think the mounts for f series and h series are the same, although i'm not positive. I'd just go with the h22a4, or h22a1. One of those would be, without a doubt, the easiest swap with the most potential for gains.

 

usdm as fuh guy.my girl has f22a in her accord.
typemismatch. i wamt to do the h22 swap and make it all motor into my car and my girl wants to do the same. We wantto hook it up to race it at the strip and off the strips an to just drive, all that power under the hood

 

what does I/H/E mean

 

your heavy *** accord needs a H23 VTEC bluetop. nothing else matters, haha Metallica quote for the win. and you will need an Intake Header and Exhaust for your swap to make mad vtech power.

 

apex1972.. na chill my one friend i just seen his car he got a 90 accord coupe with the h22a4 with headers, exhaust, intake and something else he aint tell me what else and that hauls a$$ his redline is 8,000rpm now that is freakin awesome