2 misfires in vtec, no cel ???
-h22a prelude 95
so starting last night, after vtec engages my car jerks, starts shooting vtec fine again and then jerks again. i have done a tune up since i started driving this engine 4months ago, plugs,rotor,cap,coil, did not do the wires. change the oil regularly, only run royal purple.today i took it on a few pulls samething, but on the last one my rpm gauge jumped all around, which has happened to me in the past.
in my research i found things such as sticky valves, bad ecu map, clean egr, check vtec solenoid.
i have no ideas whats going on, because there is no CEL, but today i guess i will inspect plugs, check vtec solenoid, and check the egr is something im shure i can do as well. o yea i can also do compression test. i will post but if any one has any clue or insight help!!!
so starting last night, after vtec engages my car jerks, starts shooting vtec fine again and then jerks again. i have done a tune up since i started driving this engine 4months ago, plugs,rotor,cap,coil, did not do the wires. change the oil regularly, only run royal purple.today i took it on a few pulls samething, but on the last one my rpm gauge jumped all around, which has happened to me in the past.
in my research i found things such as sticky valves, bad ecu map, clean egr, check vtec solenoid.
i have no ideas whats going on, because there is no CEL, but today i guess i will inspect plugs, check vtec solenoid, and check the egr is something im shure i can do as well. o yea i can also do compression test. i will post but if any one has any clue or insight help!!!
Last edited by sleepy5950; Jan 14, 2012 at 05:25 PM.
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Platinum?
Still what about the dizzy parts? See older cars all the time at work getting misfires from aftermarket ignition parts. If you got the manual look up at what the wires should be testing at when good and check them.
Still what about the dizzy parts? See older cars all the time at work getting misfires from aftermarket ignition parts. If you got the manual look up at what the wires should be testing at when good and check them.
yea platinum. and i put in a ACCEL coil like a month or two ago, the yellow one that claims to be stronger than oem,but is still just from autozone. you think its that tho???
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You'd just have to break out the helms manual, get a digital multimeter and test everything, can't guess at misfires, they can be caused by many things.
I prefer to use all OEM ignition parts since after seeing that 1000hp H22 drag car that was in a RWD tube frame chassis and it still had the OEM ignition system, makes me believe that anything other than going COP is a gimmick.
I prefer to use all OEM ignition parts since after seeing that 1000hp H22 drag car that was in a RWD tube frame chassis and it still had the OEM ignition system, makes me believe that anything other than going COP is a gimmick.
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MAJOR UPDATE
didnt touch anything during the week due to school/work everyday. after talking to my co-worker he said im not experiencing misfires but hesitations, he has a lude w/jdm h23 he said he had the same hesitations and simply loosened three dizzy bolts, rotated dizzy back towards firewall, either advancing or retarding the timing, and it ran fine. i really thought this was my issue untill.....
-yesterday morning: she stalls out on the way to work at a red light. turned back on right away. drove to work fine but the stalls and hesitations i spoke of in vtec where happening sooner at about 4k rpm. went to grab lunch and in the middle if warming up my car it turns off immediately, it turned back on right away no prob and then died shortly again, i decided not to drive it.
then when my shift was done i tried driving it home, jump on the freeway and of course she starts bucking under the high load, the same hesitations that only occurred in vtec where happening under normal acceleration. the radio cut off and then my engine died right after. ( my radio was acting up this week also, would loose power and i would have to restart engine to get it on, not shure if its linked but want to be detailed). so now im the side of the freeway, she started up immediedtly so i try to merge back on with no luck, she cut off under accleration and didnt restart at all. towed it home.
Today:
went out and turned it on in the morning and it died twice while warming up. my first thought was fuel pump. but i believe i can hear it prim still as well as my main relay click on, and when i removed fuel line and service bolt to check pressure, fuel just came gushing out, which indicates im getting fuel to the rails. purchased fuel pressure tester but does not have right connection piece so i can not run pressure test. then took apart dizzy, took coil out, autozone said it tested fine, put it back in. then thought it mite be alternator so i turn car on to get reading from battery, sits at 13.8volts, seems fine. let it continue to run to see if it would cut off and it didnt. so i drove to the end of my street only using 1st gear. ripped vtec and had no hesitations or problems. soooooooo wtf is happening!
some theories i have are
-maybe the fuel pump is bad but is working inconsistantly
-maybe i have a short somewhere
-maybe my ecu is bad
-somthing with my ignition wiring, because dsnt it control power to my engine and radio, also my speedometer acts funny sometimes which i read is a symptom of bad ignition wiring.
any help would be great!!!! gna keep researching and will be back out under the hood tomarrow
didnt touch anything during the week due to school/work everyday. after talking to my co-worker he said im not experiencing misfires but hesitations, he has a lude w/jdm h23 he said he had the same hesitations and simply loosened three dizzy bolts, rotated dizzy back towards firewall, either advancing or retarding the timing, and it ran fine. i really thought this was my issue untill.....
-yesterday morning: she stalls out on the way to work at a red light. turned back on right away. drove to work fine but the stalls and hesitations i spoke of in vtec where happening sooner at about 4k rpm. went to grab lunch and in the middle if warming up my car it turns off immediately, it turned back on right away no prob and then died shortly again, i decided not to drive it.
then when my shift was done i tried driving it home, jump on the freeway and of course she starts bucking under the high load, the same hesitations that only occurred in vtec where happening under normal acceleration. the radio cut off and then my engine died right after. ( my radio was acting up this week also, would loose power and i would have to restart engine to get it on, not shure if its linked but want to be detailed). so now im the side of the freeway, she started up immediedtly so i try to merge back on with no luck, she cut off under accleration and didnt restart at all. towed it home.
Today:
went out and turned it on in the morning and it died twice while warming up. my first thought was fuel pump. but i believe i can hear it prim still as well as my main relay click on, and when i removed fuel line and service bolt to check pressure, fuel just came gushing out, which indicates im getting fuel to the rails. purchased fuel pressure tester but does not have right connection piece so i can not run pressure test. then took apart dizzy, took coil out, autozone said it tested fine, put it back in. then thought it mite be alternator so i turn car on to get reading from battery, sits at 13.8volts, seems fine. let it continue to run to see if it would cut off and it didnt. so i drove to the end of my street only using 1st gear. ripped vtec and had no hesitations or problems. soooooooo wtf is happening!
some theories i have are
-maybe the fuel pump is bad but is working inconsistantly
-maybe i have a short somewhere
-maybe my ecu is bad
-somthing with my ignition wiring, because dsnt it control power to my engine and radio, also my speedometer acts funny sometimes which i read is a symptom of bad ignition wiring.
any help would be great!!!! gna keep researching and will be back out under the hood tomarrow
MAJOR UPDATE
didnt touch anything during the week due to school/work everyday. after talking to my co-worker he said im not experiencing misfires but hesitations, he has a lude w/jdm h23 he said he had the same hesitations and simply loosened three dizzy bolts, rotated dizzy back towards firewall, either advancing or retarding the timing, and it ran fine. i really thought this was my issue untill.....
-yesterday morning: she stalls out on the way to work at a red light. turned back on right away. drove to work fine but the stalls and hesitations i spoke of in vtec where happening sooner at about 4k rpm. went to grab lunch and in the middle if warming up my car it turns off immediately, it turned back on right away no prob and then died shortly again, i decided not to drive it.
then when my shift was done i tried driving it home, jump on the freeway and of course she starts bucking under the high load, the same hesitations that only occurred in vtec where happening under normal acceleration. the radio cut off and then my engine died right after. ( my radio was acting up this week also, would loose power and i would have to restart engine to get it on, not shure if its linked but want to be detailed). so now im the side of the freeway, she started up immediedtly so i try to merge back on with no luck, she cut off under accleration and didnt restart at all. towed it home.
Today:
went out and turned it on in the morning and it died twice while warming up. my first thought was fuel pump. but i believe i can hear it prim still as well as my main relay click on, and when i removed fuel line and service bolt to check pressure, fuel just came gushing out, which indicates im getting fuel to the rails. purchased fuel pressure tester but does not have right connection piece so i can not run pressure test. then took apart dizzy, took coil out, autozone said it tested fine, put it back in. then thought it mite be alternator so i turn car on to get reading from battery, sits at 13.8volts, seems fine. let it continue to run to see if it would cut off and it didnt. so i drove to the end of my street only using 1st gear. ripped vtec and had no hesitations or problems. soooooooo wtf is happening!
some theories i have are
-maybe the fuel pump is bad but is working inconsistantly
-maybe i have a short somewhere
-maybe my ecu is bad
-somthing with my ignition wiring, because dsnt it control power to my engine and radio, also my speedometer acts funny sometimes which i read is a symptom of bad ignition wiring.
any help would be great!!!! gna keep researching and will be back out under the hood tomarrow
didnt touch anything during the week due to school/work everyday. after talking to my co-worker he said im not experiencing misfires but hesitations, he has a lude w/jdm h23 he said he had the same hesitations and simply loosened three dizzy bolts, rotated dizzy back towards firewall, either advancing or retarding the timing, and it ran fine. i really thought this was my issue untill.....
-yesterday morning: she stalls out on the way to work at a red light. turned back on right away. drove to work fine but the stalls and hesitations i spoke of in vtec where happening sooner at about 4k rpm. went to grab lunch and in the middle if warming up my car it turns off immediately, it turned back on right away no prob and then died shortly again, i decided not to drive it.
then when my shift was done i tried driving it home, jump on the freeway and of course she starts bucking under the high load, the same hesitations that only occurred in vtec where happening under normal acceleration. the radio cut off and then my engine died right after. ( my radio was acting up this week also, would loose power and i would have to restart engine to get it on, not shure if its linked but want to be detailed). so now im the side of the freeway, she started up immediedtly so i try to merge back on with no luck, she cut off under accleration and didnt restart at all. towed it home.
Today:
went out and turned it on in the morning and it died twice while warming up. my first thought was fuel pump. but i believe i can hear it prim still as well as my main relay click on, and when i removed fuel line and service bolt to check pressure, fuel just came gushing out, which indicates im getting fuel to the rails. purchased fuel pressure tester but does not have right connection piece so i can not run pressure test. then took apart dizzy, took coil out, autozone said it tested fine, put it back in. then thought it mite be alternator so i turn car on to get reading from battery, sits at 13.8volts, seems fine. let it continue to run to see if it would cut off and it didnt. so i drove to the end of my street only using 1st gear. ripped vtec and had no hesitations or problems. soooooooo wtf is happening!
some theories i have are
-maybe the fuel pump is bad but is working inconsistantly
-maybe i have a short somewhere
-maybe my ecu is bad
-somthing with my ignition wiring, because dsnt it control power to my engine and radio, also my speedometer acts funny sometimes which i read is a symptom of bad ignition wiring.
any help would be great!!!! gna keep researching and will be back out under the hood tomarrow
IGNITION SWITCH!
yeap i narrowed it down to that at after posting this.realized ignition switch controls starts n power to engine and radio, the jumpy speedometter was a dead give away syptom as well. and when i took the old one out it was terrible, hacked up and had a kill switch box attached to it with butt connectors it was a mess, switch it out with a new one and a genuine honda coil and it runs super smooth now! cant wait to get my bolt ons .
heres a good link with symptoms and directions on inspection/replacement
http://techauto.awardspace.com/ignitionswitch.html
yeap i narrowed it down to that at after posting this.realized ignition switch controls starts n power to engine and radio, the jumpy speedometter was a dead give away syptom as well. and when i took the old one out it was terrible, hacked up and had a kill switch box attached to it with butt connectors it was a mess, switch it out with a new one and a genuine honda coil and it runs super smooth now! cant wait to get my bolt ons .
heres a good link with symptoms and directions on inspection/replacement
http://techauto.awardspace.com/ignitionswitch.html
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