Okay guys we both know that the kseries are pretty much the holy grail of honda motors…but for a long time the b series was the best thing out there……

So question is would you guys spend the triple of the cost of a b series for a k swap or just go b series from the get go and let's not forget our cars are 20 +year old so for the money of a kswap you could buy a em1 or something newer……

 

Id go H!!!!

 

B-Series for me. I live in Cali, and my car is smog legal. i dont think K's are able to pass REF inspection in our cars just yet.

 

K20A3[i-Vtec](02-05SI) Vs. B16A[Vtec](92-00SI)
160hp-139tq Vs. 160hp-113tq

K20A[i-Vtec](02-05CTR) Vs. B16B[Vtec](97-00CTR)
212hp-149tq Vs. 185hp-118tq

K20A2[i-Vtec](02-05RSX-S) Vs. B18C1[Vtec](95-01GS-R)
200hp-142tq Vs. 170hp-128tq

K20A[i-Vtec](02-06ITR) Vs. B18C5[Vtec(97-01ITR)
217hp-152tq Vs. 195hp-130TQ

K20A[i-Vtec](03-06Accord Euro-R) Vs. F20B[Vtec](98-2002Accord Euro-R)
217hp-152tq Vs. 200hp-144tq

its hard to say which is better because the fact of who has the money to spend. yes for the price of a k swap you can have a fully built turbo b swap. but at the same time k swaps respond better to mods then b saps do. they also respond better to tuning. also depends on if you are doing all the work or if a shop is doing the work.

k swap if you do everything

K20A3 - 1200
IM MOUNTS - 300
KPRO - 1000
CUSTOM CV JOINTS - 300
HEADERS - 500
SHIFTER BOX AND CABLES - 200
WIRING - 250
TUNING - FREE
TOTAL-3750

b swap if you do everything

B16A:$1499.99 plus shipping
Mount kit 399.99 plus shipping
Hasport linkage around $250
Axles: $70 A piece
Wiring:deends what car ef,eg,crx,and so on. for for ef\crx dx and standard model dpfi mpfi swap and vtec wires with nock sensor need to be done. not hard at all.
Throttle Cable: Use oem
Clutch Cable: Stock

3089 roughly with all the litle stuff.

 

where do you find a B16 for $1500? let alone someone who will pay that. i did my complete LSV swap for less than $1200 (this includes the price of head, block, transmission, OEM honda timing belts, water pump and ACT stage Clutch, Flywheel etc.)

 

Doing a K20A3 swap is pointless imo. Yes it will be respond to mods better, and yes it has more torque, but you have the thrill of a B20/LS/A6 motor and a 6800 redline. *Yawn*.

I've owned two EP3's and the A3, while a great commuter engine, is rather boring. I think the better comparison would be 18C5 vs. 20A. This has all been beat to death a million times, but IMO throw in a stock B18c5, change the oil, and enjoy your car for the next 10 years (ala Tom).

 

that was the most i found it for. not saying thats the lowest you cn get it for i got mine for 600 bucks. a few nline places have it for 1200 bucks. complete motor trans wiring ect.

 

Well i know everyone is going to see i just started my account but i had one couple year's ago. Ether way i would go with a B swap, I mean couple of buddy's and me have done the k swap but its just not the same. You could have a pretty beastly B swap for what you will spend to make a K swap work. Personally i don't even like a H swap. But it all depends on what you want just putting my 2 cents in.

 

I've stuck to B for the simple fact that I hate cable driven shifters. I love the K, great engine that makes brutal power with very little (K24 that is).

Turbo is the next step after you reach the B series' N/A street limits. That's where I'm going next.

 

I see this is what i meant like k's are dope but b's will do as good as a k when they get worked on i know i could get a jdm ls or b20b jdm swap on my ef for 1000 or less but yeah i guess b series is still the best swaps out there for the ef chassis

 

Welcome to Chicagoland pricing. If you find ANY B-series (even the B18A1) for around $500 you are getting lucky. People overcharge out the wazoo for everything. On top of that there is a limited supply. This isn't California where everyone and their Grandma has a B-swapped Civic.

Regardless, I think the K-series is the most overrated engine Honda ever produced thus far. People rave that they respond so well to bolt-ons but fail to see they have a higher compression and bigger displacement to begin with. This coupled with the fact of being a more difficult swap and unstock like feel turns me off completely. I think these engine are just another fad just like when H-swaps became popular but people realized the performance just wasn't there. The only benefit I can truly think of from a K-swap is the potential to find a lower milage one and the newer computing technology.

 

k vs. b is no different then d vs. b debate. You can get in to one and build it cheaper then the other however the potential of the other motor is greater. Bottom line is how much you are willing to spend.

BTW H-swaps are not over rated.

 

i think the only reason people dont swap k's as much as b's is price of the swap if price was not a factor in choosing the swap i would think must people would choose a k. the k is lot faster newer and lower mileage then b's. most people who have the money to do the swap dont have any love for ef's that why there are so many k20 eg ek dc ect. today i have a k20 crx and a ls-vtec crx they both have there good and bad points but k20>b18

 

BALLER LOL

 

^^ non-CARB approved header alone is fail alone. Not to mention all the other things forcing you to use K-PRO and making stock ECU unusable such as the pressure sensor in the fuel tank, non-return fuel line system, immobilizer, and other things .

 

I went with a b18c type R. It is 200hp-210hp (can't find the exact figure anywhere), and the Ks are only 4% better in torque and hp. Not really worth the 4% when the price is doubled. Bs are easier to do, and the parts are not as inflated as the Ks. You can spend the extra money on suspension and other parts. I would say a B with suspension is better than a K without.

 

Im coming from a F20b Crx to a k20/k24 crx before that i had a b16 and before that i had a mini me d series. the b16 was the funnest swap yet, the f20b is a big bitch an left alot of scars on my engine bay. I'm sure once im done with the k series build it will be the best swap i have done. K series = New, reliable, powerful and 6 speed if you chose that route.

 

we just put a fresh b20b in mine bitch halls *** everywhere. im only bolt ons but no ac/ps/heat/full gutted in the back and under the dash. b16 tranny. i love it i cant wait to go vtec

 

You can get a k20a3 w/ 5 speed for 500-600 bones people give away k20a3s idk who ****ed you over or tried to **** you over on an a3 but You'd have to be retarded to pay that for an a3 and on a side note you forgot the fact EF's will need a traction bar for a K swap but I mean **** heres an K20a2 full swap for 2200

http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=95583

and with that being said

Mounts - 300
swap - 2200
header - 500
Traction bar - 400
Fuel Lines/Fittings - 200
Ep3 Axles - 300 bucks

And that comes out to 3900 so I mean you could tack on 200-300 more bucks for random wiring ect and That is a Complete K swap the only down side to it being the fact Its using the Stock ecu instead of the Kpro which if you didn't want to have to wire the dash for you can pay a few hundred bucks to have the imobilizer removed and You'd have a stock Engine in your Ef thats capable of 13's in the 1320 and is amazing in road racing with A LOT of power still pent up, I think hands down if you have the extra Grand or 2 a K swap is the way to go If not a B swap is always possible or a very very nasty Turbo D. There are a lot of variables that go into the Op's question that should be looked at though

1.)Whats your budget
2.)What do you intend to do with the car
3.)Do you have the knowledge to do a K swap( Not trying to sound like a Dick but a K swap is a little bit harder than your run of the mill B16 or Ls swap)
4.) are there any power goals

Just my 2 cents

 

Oh and I forgot Basic bolt ons + running exhaust rockers on both sides.The K20a3 has yielded 200 whp on more than one time Very cheap and fun swap


Women lie Men lie but numbers don't

http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread...=k20a3+exhaust

 

K power ftwww

 

I love all honda motors honestly but I keep in mind that a k swap isn't much better than a b series or ever a d boosted I love them b serires so ill stick to that they are amazing motors and they will always be legendary

 

I would have to say B series because its the best of both the K and D, decent power and affordability....all three (K, B, D) are dependable and can get good numbers in different ways..

 

I'm B-Series, Bitch!

 

Can you give me a citation of were you get that they all are dependable?

Not that I trust it or find the information reliable, but my neighbor who has worked at a honda dealership as a mechanic for 20 some years, says it is common for the K blocks crack in the back. I don't know if it is one year that was bad or what, but he seems to hate them.