My Quest for 500whp on a Stock Sleeve / Stock Bore B16A and 93 octane

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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 09:45 AM
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Figured I'd share a couple pics / comments on my setup in my eg hatch and see what you guys think. The car has come a long way since I got it in June of this year. Prior to my new turbo setup, the car had a full-race ramhorn and a 6262 with the small "e" cover. Here are some specs on what the car was like a few months ago, and the power that the car made:

B16A (Stock Sleeve / Stock Bore)
JE 9.0:1 Pistons
Eagle Rods
Stock Bore Head
Crower Valvetrain
ITR Cams
Full Race Ramhorn
Full Race Backdoor Intercooler / 2.5" Piping
Full Race Downpipe
6262 with small "e" cover
ID 1000s
Walbro 255
ITR LSD Trans
Comp Stage 5 Clutch
Hondata S300

Here are some pics:





The care made 422 wheel on 93 octane and 17/18lbs on this setup (w/out a much needed catch can setup, car had absolutely no ventilation):



Now, I am on my quest to 500 wheel on pump gas. What I have changed since the last setup:

Synapse v-band inlet top-mount manifold
Precision 6266 w/ v-band inlet .82 housing and anti-surge ported comp. cover
Custom downpipe / charge piping
Go-Autoworks catch can setup w/ two 10ans off the front of the valve cover
Battery relocated to rear w/ 0 gauge wiring
Same motor setup






The boost will be turned up a little, and the car will be tuned before long! Wish me luck.

Toby

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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 09:58 AM
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That is one SICK setup ! ! Good luck !
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 10:38 AM
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First thing I wanna say is your setup is clean and tasteful. Good work!

Next thing I wanted to ask is where did you get that exhaust housing that is vband'd at the manifold? Did you buy it from precision like that? That is sweet! I didn't even know they offered that... Do you have any idea if they offer that housing for a 6262 or is it only for the 66mm exhaust wheel size housings?

Also, though I think your new turbo setup is freakin awesome I gotta ask a question. Did you do all that switching up just for 500whp? Or was there some other influence? I only ask because your 6262 and ramhorn would have been fine to make that power.

I am currently running a stock sleeve GSR on a ramhorn (not full-race) and a 6262SP. We made 538whp last season @ 24.5 psi on E85 and a cheap intercooler. Going back for more this season aiming for 600+ same setup better intercooler...

Just some food for thought.
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 11:00 AM
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cheap cooler isnt an issue ive made 650 on my little cx racing cooler so thats fine

now i wanna ask why in the workd do you want to subject that sexy *** build(clean) to the harshness of pump gas??? just to say you did it because for that power i would go with some e85 or 105 at least.
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 11:26 AM
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nice setup BUT like said previously you could of made that power with what you had before...
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by luck4rmkc
First thing I wanna say is your setup is clean and tasteful. Good work!

Next thing I wanted to ask is where did you get that exhaust housing that is vband'd at the manifold? Did you buy it from precision like that? That is sweet! I didn't even know they offered that... Do you have any idea if they offer that housing for a 6262 or is it only for the 66mm exhaust wheel size housings?

Also, though I think your new turbo setup is freakin awesome I gotta ask a question. Did you do all that switching up just for 500whp? Or was there some other influence? I only ask because your 6262 and ramhorn would have been fine to make that power.

I am currently running a stock sleeve GSR on a ramhorn (not full-race) and a 6262SP. We made 538whp last season @ 24.5 psi on E85 and a cheap intercooler. Going back for more this season aiming for 600+ same setup better intercooler...

Just some food for thought.
Hey, thanks a lot. Yes, they do offer the 6262 with a v-band inlet exhaust housing. The housing is an option from Precision (manufactered by them). Here is a link:

http://realstreetperformance.com/sto...rnal-1392.html

I ordered my 6266 through them. And yes, there was somewhat of an influence to put the new setup on it. For one, I had the bungs welded on the front of the valve cover, and, when it was time to put it on, the fittings were right on top of the ramhorn, and it would not seal. Also, I wasn't completely satisfied with the "e" cover, and I wanted to get the bigger, antisurge ported compressor cover. Furthermore, I love v-band inlet setups and top-mounts. I just figured hell with it, and I upgraded my setup. We will see how it does!

Originally Posted by sanman000719
cheap cooler isnt an issue ive made 650 on my little cx racing cooler so thats fine

now i wanna ask why in the workd do you want to subject that sexy *** build(clean) to the harshness of pump gas??? just to say you did it because for that power i would go with some e85 or 105 at least.
Thanks man, I have contemplated e85 (and I would do it if we had a station here in Chambersburg), although the closest station is in Carlisle, which is about 30 miles away. Considering this car is driven a lot (it isn't a garage queen), I do not want to deal with the hassle of acquiring the e85 from a distance. If I decide to throw in a sleeved shortblock / upgrade the fuel system, I am sure, at this time, I will say hell with it, and begin to use e85.


Thanks for the comments!

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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 11:32 AM
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nice setup BUT like said previously you could of made that power with what you had before...
Yeah, the straw that broke the camel's back was the bung clearance w/ the ramhorn (after I already had the valve cover welded up). Also, since I love these setups and had the money to burn, I just upgraded.
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 11:36 AM
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well with that power the use of pump gas (93) is risky with det man, and would hate to see a nice build go to **** chasing them numbers
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 11:38 AM
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just do 2 seperate tunes man one for 93 around 400

and one for e85 for racing

unless your entire thought is to street race this car wich would end up destryoing it anyways
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 11:40 AM
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^ i'm in the same boat. building around pump gas because of whats available in my area and how much i drive.

nice setup and car , looks solid and fun
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Thanks man, I have contemplated e85 (and I would do it if we had a station here in Chambersburg), although the closest station is in Carlisle, which is about 30 miles away. Considering this car is driven a lot (it isn't a garage queen), I do not want to deal with the hassle acquiring the e85 from a distance. If I decide to throw in a sleeved shortblock / upgrade the fuel system, I am sure, at this time, I will say hell with it, and begin to use e85.
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what backhousing did you have on your 6262e? ive got the same turbo and am debating going to the 6266 as well with a .82 backhousing.

how laggy does the 66 feel opposed to the 62?
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Im suprised I havent seen this car.. Im in the town next to you. Yeah the last e85 station around here was just taken out a few years ago. I my self will be running E85 but I order a drum of it.
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 03:49 PM
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Thanks guys. It will be a 93 tune by Kerr @ Innovative. I had a .82 housing on the 6262e as well. Honestly, both turbos seem to be fairly close. I do not have any numbers to give you, though. Have to remember that this time around, with these new turbos, precision shaved a bunch of material off of the turbine wheels. Also, this setup is v-band whereas the other was t3. Both are fairly laggy on the B16.
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Originally Posted by SLIM NOTHING
Im suprised I havent seen this car.. Im in the town next to you. Yeah the last e85 station around here was just taken out a few years ago. I my self will be running E85 but I order a drum of it.
Where are you located?
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nice setup man..... gives me more drive to get my sleeved b16 from the machine shop up and running...
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Thanks man.
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Thanks guys. It will be a 93 tune by Kerr @ Innovative. I had a .82 housing on the 6262e as well. Honestly, both turbos seem to be fairly close. I do not have any numbers to give you, though. Have to remember that this time around, with these new turbos, precision shaved a bunch of material off of the turbine wheels. Also, this setup is v-band whereas the other was t3. Both are fairly laggy on the B16.
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I like this.
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I like this.
Thanks, Derek. Everything seems kosher with this shortblock after testing. I will most likely run it, and I will try to meet my goal on the stock sleeves before upgrading to a sleeved block. Might do an upgrade on the fuel pump to a 400 unit, as it will be done eventually anyways, and just to have the extra pump if I need it. Have a few things to get sorted out, and then I will get ahold of you guys!
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Old Dec 21, 2011 | 05:24 AM
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Maybe not a 400, but a larger pump, nonetheless, will be necessary down the road, as well as a different regulator setup and larger injectors.
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Clean, I'm looking to do the same with my b16b.
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Originally Posted by tscook3
Hey, thanks a lot. Yes, they do offer the 6262 with a v-band inlet exhaust housing. The housing is an option from Precision (manufactered by them). Here is a link:

http://realstreetperformance.com/sto...rnal-1392.html

I ordered my 6266 through them. And yes, there was somewhat of an influence to put the new setup on it. For one, I had the bungs welded on the front of the valve cover, and, when it was time to put it on, the fittings were right on top of the ramhorn, and it would not seal. Also, I wasn't completely satisfied with the "e" cover, and I wanted to get the bigger, antisurge ported compressor cover. Furthermore, I love v-band inlet setups and top-mounts. I just figured hell with it, and I upgraded my setup. We will see how it does!



Thanks man, I have contemplated e85 (and I would do it if we had a station here in Chambersburg), although the closest station is in Carlisle, which is about 30 miles away. Considering this car is driven a lot (it isn't a garage queen), I do not want to deal with the hassle of acquiring the e85 from a distance. If I decide to throw in a sleeved shortblock / upgrade the fuel system, I am sure, at this time, I will say hell with it, and begin to use e85.


Thanks for the comments!
tell me this..how does ur tranny handle that power? you say u have a ITR tranny...i have a built/boosted ITR and i killed the bearings in my tranny the same day it came off the dyno jus trying to break it in lil(no WOT)..car was rich and mildly tuned(344whp&238lbs of torque on 12psi,check my setup in the ITR forum) im also running a precision turbo but my kit is cast and about 7 years old lol..I ask this because my tuner/builder told me if plan on making anymore power i should switch to either ls or gsr trans becuz the ITR trans is not made handle big horsepower becuz the gearing is close for circuit racing...and a buddy of mine made 550whp on 20psi 50/50 e85 with the same turbo i have and a ramhorn on a built ls/vtec with gsr cams and hondata s300...and sleeve it to be safe bro, stock sleeves r the first thing to go when running 400whp plus on pump gas(93)
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Nice build, looking forward to the 6266 results
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