MPFI. Car wont turn over. I do have spark and the engine cranks.

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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 05:00 PM
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Default MPFI. Car wont turn over. I do have spark and the engine cranks.

Ok.

First issue was with the fuel injectors spraying eveywhere. Replaced all of the o rings and got that to work.

next issue. Car cranks and there is spark but thats it.

I trouble shooted the distributor. I have 12v and ground from the 2 white wires so those are correct. Opened up the distributor and checked the wiring in there. Took out each plug, connected a spark plug to it and ground the plug and got spark.

The ecu is not showing me any codes, there are no flashing lights.

What could be the problem?

There is a leftover plug thats ontop of the 3 plugs. If standing infront of the manifold the plug is to the dside, behind the manifold. There are two wires that come out from the manifold and then get connected to a white harness. The wires are.. Blue and then black with either a white or yellow stripe. I have no idea where this plug connects to. I have a 1991 std civic.

All help and trouble shooting with me much appreciated! Thank you
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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 05:11 PM
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post some pics of the plug
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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 05:24 PM
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Default Re: MPFI. Car wont turn over. I do have spark and the engine cranks.

the blue and black wire with the yellow strip connect to a black and orange wire on the harness it goes to the tandem valve
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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 05:35 PM
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Ive read in multiple write ups that the tandem valve isnt connected. Thats one of the 3 plugs that are not reused. Please clarify.

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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 05:42 PM
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Default Re: MPFI. Car wont turn over. I do have spark and the engine cranks.

it is connected
i also did a dpfi to mpfi conversion on my std civic
i connected the wire and its working fine
am using the pm6 ecu with 91 si intake manfold i got no check engine light
and it started right up on first try
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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 05:43 PM
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Default Re: MPFI. Car wont turn over. I do have spark and the engine cranks.

the Orange Tandem Valve and Blue FICV wires run to the same place on the DPFI and MPFI ECUs - black/yellow is power
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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 05:48 PM
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Default Re: MPFI. Car wont turn over. I do have spark and the engine cranks.

Thank you. I will check that out in the morning but i dont believe that this would cause the car not to start.

Anything else
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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 05:59 PM
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orange goes to blue and black to black
check your grounds and b10 b11 c1 and c2 pins make sure there connected
also your main relay
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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 06:04 PM
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Default Re: MPFI. Car wont turn over. I do have spark and the engine cranks.

Are your plug wires in the correct order?
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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 06:13 PM
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Ok.. this is how the plugs are wired.

From the timing belt to the distributor. 1 2 3 4. They go from right to left in that order.

At the distributor. If you are staring at the distributor. Bottom left is 1 and then next to it is 2. Above 1 is 3 and 4 is given.

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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 06:15 PM
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Default Re: MPFI. Car wont turn over. I do have spark and the engine cranks.

When these main relay goes bad, you will not get fuel or spark. I am getting both.
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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 06:55 PM
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Default Re: MPFI. Car wont turn over. I do have spark and the engine cranks.

Yes, no fuel or spark with a bad main relay. Your firing order is correct. What about the mechanical timing of the motor?
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Old Dec 12, 2011 | 05:03 AM
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Default Re: MPFI. Car wont turn over. I do have spark and the engine cranks.

wouldnt the car start even if the timing was off? I read that the distributor could have been installed incorrectly but I am getting spark. I search but couldnt find any solid info on how to properly install the distributor.

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Old Dec 12, 2011 | 01:28 PM
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Default Re: MPFI. Car wont turn over. I do have spark and the engine cranks.

If the timing is off by enough, the car won't start. Do you have all your grounds hooked up?
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Old Dec 12, 2011 | 05:04 PM
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Default Re: MPFI. Car wont turn over. I do have spark and the engine cranks.

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wouldnt the car start even if the timing was off? I read that the distributor could have been installed incorrectly but I am getting spark. I search but couldnt find any solid info on how to properly install the distributor.

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I really don't see how anybody could manage to install the distributor wrong as the notch in the camshaft is offset as well as the key on the distributor. It will only go in one way, unless you worked really hard at putting it in wrong... like with a bfh lol!

As for that mechanical timing, I'm referring to the crank/cam alignment. It's easy to check by removing the upper timing belt cover exposing the cam gear. Rotate the crank to TDC (the little mark that's all alone on the harmonic balancer, not the 3 marks that are together) with the up arrow on the cam facing up and the 2 lines on the cam gear should be straight in line with the head surface.

And just to be sure about the ignition timing, while you're at TDC, pull your cap off and make sure the rotor button is pointing at the #1 plug wire.
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Old Dec 14, 2011 | 02:11 AM
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Default Re: MPFI. Car wont turn over. I do have spark and the engine cranks.

Thanks. I will check with the timing. Will let you all know what I find out.
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