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Old Nov 8, 2011 | 12:32 PM
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Default 01 GSR wont start after trying to tuck wires

Long story short, I was rewiring the headlight stuff on the passenger side (didn't even get to the driver side yet) and after putting everything back on that side, car will no longer start. My fuel pump won't humm and it cranks but won't start so I know i'm not getting any fuel. Now my question becomes, what did I mess up that is making me not get any power to my fuel pump, headlights and dash lights. my Check engine light also doesn't light up when I turn the key to pos. 2 . I've checked all the possible fuses and they are all good. I have a multimeter in hand but don't know what to test. please help... it's getting dark and i have to work tomorrow... I'm running out of ideas...
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Old Nov 8, 2011 | 01:38 PM
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Ok well here's some pictures of what I was doing..
Oh also my windows won't go up either, so it's something that affected all my power.. I want to say the main relay but I don't even know if that also effects the windows and headlights and dash lights...



I was tucking my headlight wires into the fender pretty much and putting the ABS fuse box in the fender as well..



and I heard this relay click a few times when I was playing around with the little white box ( headlight grounds) and now it won't make any noise..



at least the ABS area looks better =/ ..



any ideas guys? I'm going to the junker in the morning if I get a positive culprit..
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Old Nov 8, 2011 | 01:53 PM
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Oh also, I get lights that come on the dash and the car cranks if I try to start it.. but like I said, No power to the windows, headlights, turn signals, or fuel pump. no check engine light comes on at any time.
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Old Nov 8, 2011 | 02:15 PM
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Can someone at least tell me what that relay with the orange plug near the headlights is for?
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Old Nov 8, 2011 | 02:20 PM
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The SRS fusebox (you tucked) feeds power to the PGM-FI main relay; fuse 24, 15 amps.

If it's not re-connected or the wiring's been damaged in the move, you won't see power at C928/pin-5 (or C914/pin 7 of the integrated control unit) of the under-dash fuse/relay box - and that feeds PGM-FI (fuel pump), cruise control, O2 sensors/heaters, alternator, VSS, electronic load detector, and gauge assembly (cluster/dash).

So - the symptoms you list line up nicely with fuse 24 and the wiring back to the under-dash assemblies.. which comes *from* the SRS fuse block.

Tracy baby... trace..

Good luck,

Mark
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Old Nov 8, 2011 | 02:20 PM
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Default Re: 01 GSR wont start after trying to tuck wires

Originally Posted by Ef Hatch 34
Can someone at least tell me what that relay with the orange plug near the headlights is for?
ABS
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Old Nov 8, 2011 | 02:22 PM
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Default Re: 01 GSR wont start after trying to tuck wires

not that one, the one in the picture that i'm holding up.. says " 12V NO Mistsuba"
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Old Nov 8, 2011 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by mark@silbernage
The SRS fusebox (you tucked) feeds power to the PGM-FI main relay; fuse 24, 15 amps.

If it's not re-connected or the wiring's been damaged in the move, you won't see power at C928/pin-5 (or C914/pin 7 of the integrated control unit) of the under-dash fuse/relay box - and that feeds PGM-FI (fuel pump), cruise control, O2 sensors/heaters, alternator, VSS, electronic load detector, and gauge assembly (cluster/dash).

So - the symptoms you list line up nicely with fuse 24 and the wiring back to the under-dash assemblies.. which comes *from* the SRS fuse block.

Tracy baby... trace..

Good luck,




So what should I do about the SRS box? check the wires that I re did or just put it all back? or is it just the fuse 24?

Mark
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Old Nov 8, 2011 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by mark@silbernage
The SRS fusebox (you tucked) feeds power to the PGM-FI main relay; fuse 24, 15 amps.

If it's not re-connected or the wiring's been damaged in the move, you won't see power at C928/pin-5 (or C914/pin 7 of the integrated control unit) of the under-dash fuse/relay box - and that feeds PGM-FI (fuel pump), cruise control, O2 sensors/heaters, alternator, VSS, electronic load detector, and gauge assembly (cluster/dash).

So - the symptoms you list line up nicely with fuse 24 and the wiring back to the under-dash assemblies.. which comes *from* the SRS fuse block.

Tracy baby... trace..

Good luck,

Mark
Sorry I thought I was on the same page as you but I went to look and it was the ABS fusebox that I moved, is that also the SRS box? I checked fuse 24 and it is good.

is this the box you're talking about?
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Old Nov 8, 2011 | 05:45 PM
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Default Re: 01 GSR wont start after trying to tuck wires

I see there is much more stuff missing than the wires you're showing.
Where is the main fuse box? Is the battery still going into its place by the firewall?
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Old Nov 8, 2011 | 05:56 PM
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Default Re: 01 GSR wont start after trying to tuck wires

Did you do anything with the grounds at the thermostat housing?

Drop the PGM-FI Main Relay and test for powers, there should be three (3) of them..

A 12V constant, hot at all times, most likely a yellow/white lead.
A 12V switched, hot in run and start, probably a yellow/green.
A 2nd 12V switched, hot during cranking only, probably a blue/white

The colors may not be correct, [98 Integra] but the 3 powers will, [must] be there. 94
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Old Nov 8, 2011 | 07:31 PM
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Default Re: 01 GSR wont start after trying to tuck wires

Originally Posted by koss1229
I see there is much more stuff missing than the wires you're showing.
Where is the main fuse box? Is the battery still going into its place by the firewall?
The fuse box and battery are staying at their place for now, I only had today off from work and I wouldn't be able to do the whole air bag/dash removal and what not so I just wanted to tuck the ABS wires and headlights/HID ballast away because everything seems so cluttered.
I figured out the problem after undoing and redoing everything over again, I was out there with a spot light going at it in the dark and cold lol

here's what I was trying to do...



I ran the white power cable from the ABS fusebox to the hole that's next to the fuse box when you take it out. I removed a plug that was there and cut a small piece (1/2" x 1/2") from the fuse box on the bottom part from where the wire was not clearing. on the other side of the ABS fusebox I had to extend the wire from 2 plugs to be able to reach all the way out to the fender.
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Old Nov 8, 2011 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by fcm
Did you do anything with the grounds at the thermostat housing?

Drop the PGM-FI Main Relay and test for powers, there should be three (3) of them..

A 12V constant, hot at all times, most likely a yellow/white lead.
A 12V switched, hot in run and start, probably a yellow/green.
A 2nd 12V switched, hot during cranking only, probably a blue/white

The colors may not be correct, [98 Integra] but the 3 powers will, [must] be there. 94
no I didn't touch the engine harness I was just going at the abs and headlight harness. I tested the Main relay and it was good. The culprit was a loose screw from the white cable that goes from the battery to the fuse box.


after I figured it out I felt pretty stupid that I missed something so small lol ... I was getting ready to go to the junk yard and spend some money..
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Old Nov 9, 2011 | 05:57 AM
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It is not stupid "missed something so small" what would be stupid is not finding it 94
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Old Nov 14, 2011 | 12:27 AM
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Default Re: 01 GSR wont start after trying to tuck wires

Originally Posted by Ef Hatch 34
Sorry I thought I was on the same page as you but I went to look and it was the ABS fusebox that I moved, is that also the SRS box? I checked fuse 24 and it is good.

is this the box you're talking about?
Yes, that's the one! Sorry, I was thinking ABS and typed SRS... but it seems you've figured it out. Amazing how the quick projects can become 'extended', huh?!

How's the HID working for you?

Mark
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Old Nov 14, 2011 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by mark@silbernage
Yes, that's the one! Sorry, I was thinking ABS and typed SRS... but it seems you've figured it out. Amazing how the quick projects can become 'extended', huh?!

How's the HID working for you?

Mark
hahah yea, the little stuff always turn out to make more work ... and the HIDs are great. no problems since i've got them.
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